Good and cheap (i hope) beginner combat planes

[DemonFrog]

I have given it some thought and i have decided that this may be something to get into. all i need to know is are there any airframes out there for a 16 year old with a limited budget? would this be a performer/stable airframe http://plasticconceptplanes.com/cart/items/talon.htm ? any help is appreciated and mabeye i can stick some streamer to your wings someday 8)
thx
Demon :twisted:

[treecutter]

You can build them yourself using the plans here much cheaper...and they fly great!! I recommend the dogfighter. http://www.spadtothebone.com/

[canadianice]

check out the open combat site on MAAC

[recon]

I also recommend the dogfighter spad! Can usually be built for less than $5 an airframe, fly great and really take a beating. My last one withstood 5 midairs before I had to replace the wing, oh well, there goes another $1.50, lol.

[planeswithwings]

i would go with the sns spad because it flyes the same as the rest and with a gms 47 it can really go. it is the easyest 1 to build i think. here it is. i have only killed 1 but i got the tail and wing out of it. [;

http://www.plasticwings.net/SPAD/SNS/Page_1/page_1.html

[DemonFrog]

I had no idea that they could be so simple, now gettin into this may be economical so long as the recievers and engines don't totally die on me. Thanks and i may show up at a combat contest with a dogfighter someday(though i may have to change the tail design a bit to make it look cool :lol: ). I also have a seperate question, do most of you guys use sticky tape on the leading edge of your wings to aid in the removal of someone elses streamer or do most of you go it with the bare wing? would something like 3m 77 sprey work well for this? i have a lot of it at home from my combat glider and was looking for a use for it.. so again thanks for the info and i look foreward to becoming your target :twisted:
Demon

[recon]

I just use bare wing, it seems to work good enough. Here in Medicine Hat we dont even aim for streamers though! My last dogfighter was in 5+ midairs before I had to do any major repairs.

[Cross Check]

Hi DemonFrog,

I've tried 'sticky stuff' on my LE's a few years ago...
Just to messy for me...
I didn't like cleaning off the grass clippings, etc every landing.
And... if you get a cut with your wing tip, the streamer sticks way out there for the rest of the heat. It really affects your plane's performance for the rest of the heat !

Where are you flying in Southern Ont.?
I'm in Oakville

Take care, have fun,

Dave'crosscheck'Fallowfield
Maac 6437

[Fodder]

I've used double sided tape on the LE and it helped in getting some streamers. I had 2 streamers stuck to one side and if I didn't have the CVA BB engine in there, I don't think I would have had enough power to continue. It took a bit of effor to fly it and remain in the air for the total 5 minutes, but no one managed to get me that time (even in the crippled state of too many streamers :D ).

The CVA didn't make a big speed difference over the LA, but the extra pulling power allowed a lot more vertical ascent and that made a difference.

Only one midair cost me $100 - battery shorted on impact (you could see the smoke), receiver toasted and a couple servos. Oh well, next...

[DemonFrog]

I am in georgetown and i only have my glider for the moment, i don't have my "WINGS" so i don't think i can really fly at any club even if i do make a dogfighter but once get my wings :twisted: watch out for craters. I have enough money for the materials for a dogfighter frame i just don't have the money for a remote, reciever or TX. and i also don't know what CA glue is :?: if anyone could tell me that it would also be apreciated. it's going to be fun to learn to fly a powered model but i guess if i am going to do the dogfighter i would first have to build an airplane for the "wings" test. i'm hopeing for birthday money which will pay for a motor and then i will save up for a good 6 channel cheap computer radio, since the radio will not be involved with any crashes and i can just change the crystal to fly a different model (in theory :roll: ) thanks again for the links.
Demon :twisted:
P.S. is there any way to bond 2 pieces of choroplast end to end to make it long enough for the 40" wingspan?

[headshot]

Frog,

For a good cheap trainer type of aircraft, you can again go to the spadtothebone.com website. They have a number of trainer type aircraft there. Also, power your Dogfighter with a .25 size engine, I think a 40 would be a little fast for a beginner.

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[DemonFrog]

I was hopeing to find a .25 size trainer that once i was done training i could just move all the expensive equipment into the dogfighter and save myself from haveing to buy a .40 size engine too.
Demon :twisted: