Flying!

[Ken W]

Does anyone feel like taking RonM and BrianF's invite for flying at the Hamilton Flying Tigers field tomorrow.
I plan to be there first thing,last flier is the rotten egg,or brings the coffee and donuts.
KenW

[scaleguy]

I was planning to but something has come up and I can't make it now. Looks to be sunny and 10c but I hope it's not windy like today.

Goodluck and have fun.

[AJCoholic]

You guys.... you should be here with the 6" snow, windy, sold... and its not even winter yet! :)

Lucky guys... have a flight for me will ya'??

[ronm]

I'm not one of the lucky ones! :cry:

[Kevin McGrath]

No snow here........supposed to be +10 tomorrow........think Ill go to the field and watch Cec crash.. :D

[jeang]

We had a bit of snow but its all gone now,today was 7 deg but 30k wind with gusts.

kevin, if your going to the field "beem me up"

later

jeang

[scaleguy]

Well I had the day off today, actually the whole week, and I herd wearther was to be good... and they were right.

Spent a great 5 hours out at the Flying Tigers field today and got to finally give the Cap a go. Whoever says the 72" Cap won't fly on a 120 FS should check again. Man the power of my Enya 120R is awsome. Yes I could use some more power in the verticals but i think this is just a propping issue as she really ZOTS! Takeoff roll is about 20 feet and I like to do nice gentle scale like climbouts.

Had to increase aileron throw for rolls, lops are nice and big. Spins are so so but I think it is a trimming issue. Humpty Bump are OK. Got some weird yaw coupling thow when trying to do Split Ess and Immelmans need a little more.

Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is _____________ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is _________________ heavy.

Weather was great, Sunny, light wind, about 5 - 10 K around 11 degrees. Hopefully won't be the last one of the season. :D

[ronm]

Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is __nose_______ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is ____tail_________ heavy

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[jeang]

lets say you takeoff trim the plane and then land.Take a look at your elevator,if its trimed up its nose heavy if its trim down the plane is tail heavy. there might be other thing to consider but that how I c it.

jeang

[can773]

Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is _____________ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is _________________ heavy.



Thats the wrong way to trim IMO....you can get it close but CG affects other things more predominantly......

1. Adjust the CG so the plane tracks well, in both wind and calm....if you find it hard to hold heading its tail heavy, if it drifts easily its tail heavy.....if it wont tuck its nose under quickly while doing a negative push then its nose heavy etc etc etc

2. Then adjust throw and expo so inverted feels right, check spin entry fiddle with CG more until its right......

3. Once the CG is right, adjust the stab incidence so that you do not carry any elevator trim....this will take a couple of iterations as each time you adjust the stab the trim will change.....but it will settle to a final spot eventually.

No more CG changes from this point.

4. Once the CG/stab is good, do an upline full power....it needs to go STRAIGHT up at least 500', 800' is better if not, thrustline is a problem...fix that next. If you dont have enough jam in the motor this is going to be a problem. This is bigtime important, and sometimes a real bear to fix if its not right. If you have to adjust up or downthrust.....you will need to go back to step 1 :)

5. Now comes the straight down part.....go 500'+ up, point it down.....mix out the pull or push with a low throttle to elevator mix....if you crash on a downline and you get out a square and your fuse is 90 degrees to the ground then you know you have it perfect :)

6. Now do knife edge, mix out whatever the plane does. I use a multipoint (curve) mix to do knife edge at various rudder deflections. If this changes with speed you will never get it quite right, but close counts.

This takes me 50-80 flights....

7. Thats its....fly the crap out of the plane, learn the quirks it has.....win contests :)

This takes me 500+ flights.....

[jeang]

All plane are not the same,they all have some kinda coupling.I scratch built a plane back in 99 and it as zero coupling.I dont know why.
I can do a flat turn on rudder only.I hade a little pitching to the canopy in KE flight but it was fixed buy moving the battery aft.It was quite a bit nose heavy.
here a pic of the plane.


later

jeang

[Randy Brown]

I don;t always agree with that one

Could be a thrust thing also



Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is __nose_______ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is ____tail_________ heavy

[/i]

[ronm]

Generally. :P

And Jim, you have to keep your plane for at least 80 flights to trim Chad's method. :P

[50%300SFlyer]

Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is _____________ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is _________________ heavy.

:D

Glad your day went well Jim 8)

On finding your CG...

To start with, first make sure your wing and stab incidence are set at zero. If not, adjust them so they are.

Next, trim the elevator for level flight at mid throttle. [hands off straight and level.]

Then perform a power off straight downline, [with no elevator input] right in front of yourself viewing the plane from its side on a calm day. [right to left or left to right] Its not necessary to do a spin or hammer first. Just push the nose straight down from level flight after getting some altitude. If the plane tracks straight down, or goes to the gear at all, it is indeed tail heavy. It should pitch to canopy just slightly. If it really pulls to the canopy, [more than about 8 degrees] its nose heavy.

Once this is right, you can add a mix with a bit of down elevator on low throttle, to ensure a straight downline during various maneuvers. I do this on mine. Just be ready on landings though... when you chop the throttle on final.... be ready with a bit of up elevator.

Being that this is a Cap, [the engine thrust line is much higher than the wing] it would probably benefit from a degree or two of up thrust in the engine...... After doing all the rest first, if it pitches to the gear on a full power upline, a bit of engine upthrust is in order.

[50%300SFlyer]

I don;t always agree with that one

Could be a thrust thing also



Mike Clemmens showed me how to check if model nose ore tail heavy and I tried it but can't remember the whole thing. You can either setup the model for a hammerhead or do a spin. With a HH you do the stall turn then point the nose right at the ground and bring the sticks to neutral. If the model pitches toward the canopy the it is __nose_______ heavy. If it pitches towards the landing gear then it is ____tail_________ heavy

[/i]

With the wing and stab set at zero, engine thrust is not a factor on a "power off" downline. This is strickly a CG issue.

[can773]

With the wing and stab set at zero, engine thrust is not a factor on a "power off" downline. This is strickly a CG issue.

Actually thrust does affect downlines, since when in level flight it affects the position of the elevator trim which affects downlines.

Thats why my list has uplines first to get thrust right (the ONLY true way to get the correct thrust setting).....then downlines.

If you do downlines first you are going to chase your tail.

I also think 0-0 wing/stab incidence is wrong also.....should be + on wing and 0 to + on stab, this is more important the lower the wing gets.....wings that sit on the thrustline or very close to it will get away with a 0-0 setup.

Its important to have the stab incidence set so that you carry no trim on the elevators, makes for a more solid feeling model.

You need differential....if anyone tells you that you dont they lie :-)

I have yet to see a plane that was properly balanced and trimmed fly knife edge without some sort of pitching, mixing it out is not going to hurt anything.

Trim your plane the best for the attitude that it fly's in the most (straight and level) why worry about trimming the model for something its only doing 1% of the time?

You cannot get a model to fly true in all attitudes, its not possible and wont happen so dont try :-) Trim it as close as you can mix out the rest, once you fly it a lot you will ignore the little things that it doesnt do right and will just automatically fix them.

Leave your mixing on all the time, do not turn it on and off otherwise you need to learn 2 different techniques for flying the plane.

The less you have to fly the plane the better you will score.....

[50%300SFlyer]

Chad,

With all due respect to you and your accomplishments, :TU: we are talking about semi-scale aerobatic airplanes here, not fly like an arrow pattern ships. They are different in many respects. Granted, allot of things apply in the same way, but not everything.

If you adjust your stab so you carry no up trim in upright level flight, what happens when you roll inverted? [Usually a least half the time in our more advanced SA sequences] Now you have the whole stab set opposite to your flight attitude. Thats not a good thing either.

Most GS Aerobatic kits [at least all the ones I have built] prescribe that both the wing and stab to be set to zero. [allot are not adjustable either, so trimming it with the stab is not possible]

As for doing the CG first or the upthrust first, it could be argued either way. Both effect each other. I would much rather see a pilot get the CG close first, then worry about up thrust. You can then go back and adjust the CG again slightly, if necessary. These giant scale birds have a much broader CG range than pattern ships do.

Most giant scale aerobatic kits also call for zero incidence on the engine, with the exception of the ones where the engine thrust line is much higher than the wing. I agree with you here, you could start off with a slight bit of upthrust right off the bat, as you are most likely going to need it anyway.

BTW.... When are you going to get one of these big birds? You would LOVE it! 8) :wink: And NO...You cant start out in Basic with it ...hehehe.... :lol:

[can773]

we are talking about semi-scale aerobatic airplanes here, not fly like an arrow pattern ships. They are different in many respects. Granted, allot of things apply in the same way, but not everything.

I have helped a number of guys locally trim their models, most things work identical from what I have found.

If you adjust your stab so you carry no up trim in upright level flight, what happens when you roll inverted? [Usually a least half the time in our more advanced SA sequences] Now you have the whole stab set opposite to your flight attitude. Thats not a good thing either.

It doesnt matter when you roll inverted because you load the stab with elevator so it ends up being the same thing as upright....unless you fly inverted with no down elevator (which indicates a way tailheavy condition) you trim for upright and use expo and throw to get the inverted feeling right. Its the same with differential....it works whether upright or inverted although it doesnt seem like it would.

Most GS Aerobatic kits [at least all the ones I have built] prescribe that both the wing and stab to be set to zero.

So do most pattern kits, its a simple place to start but you will find that its not correct. If you cant adjust at least one of your incidences its going to be difficult to get the plane perfect.

As for doing the CG first or the upthrust first, it could be argued either way. Both effect each other. I would much rather see a pilot get the CG close first, then worry about up thrust. You can then go back and adjust the CG again slightly, if necessary. These giant scale birds have a much broader CG range than pattern ships do.

You do the CG first, but not for downlines.....once the CG is correct and the thrust is correct and you have neutralized the trim on the stab the downlines and knife will pretty much take care of themselves......I used to trim the way you describe but found this way much better and faster.

Most giant scale aerobatic kits also call for zero incidence on the engine, with the exception of the ones where the engine thrust line is much higher than the wing. I agree with you here, you could start off with a slight bit of upthrust right off the bat, as you are most likely going to need it anyway.

I never understood upthrust, we dont use it we always use either 0 thrust or downthrust as it promotes a positive AOA on the wing which is needed anyways....how you can run upthrust with 0-0 wing/stab is beyond me. There must be some strange coupling in the flight somewhere.

BTW.... When are you going to get one of these big birds? You would LOVE it!

Probably never, too big, too expensive, too much work :) Pretty soon I will be all electric anyways.....I doubt that is ever going to happen in GS on common basis in my lifetime. Pattern models are at the limit for size of what I want to be involved in, I wish they would restrict the size down to 1.5 meters.....

[50%300SFlyer]

"It doesn't matter when you roll inverted because you load the stab with elevator so it ends up being the same thing as upright"

You already told me this was a bad thing....

"Its important to have the stab incidence set so that you carry no trim on the elevators, makes for a more solid feeling model."

Why the sudden change?

"If you cant adjust at least one of your incidences its going to be difficult to get the plane perfect."

I think we agreed already that there is no such thing as "perfect" plane.

"I never understood upthrust, we don't use it we always use either 0 thrust or downthrust as it promotes a positive AOA on the wing which is needed anyways....how you can run upthrust with 0-0 wing/stab is beyond me. There must be some strange coupling in the flight somewhere."

With the engine much higher than the wing and stab line, Such as in a [Cap 232] when the engine is at full power on an upline, the plane pitches to the gear badly. This is because the engine is acting as a lever, and pulling the plane from the top of it, rather than from the center, with most of the drag below. Consequently, up thrust makes it track much better. Been there...done that. Scale models are just not the same as a pattern and this is a prime example.

Probably never, too big, too expensive, too much work Pretty soon I will be all electric anyways.....I doubt that is ever going to happen in GS on common basis in my lifetime. Pattern models are at the limit for size of what I want to be involved in, I wish they would restrict the size down to 1.5 meters.....

We need to let you feel the sticks on one of these big birds... You would change your mind in a hurry... :wink: Ask Ivan how well they fly! There really not that much more expensive than a top of the line pattern ship.

[can773]

You already told me this was a bad thing....

No I said you need to adjust the incidence to carry 0 trim in level upright flight, it had nothing to do with inverted which will need down elevator.

Why the sudden change?

No change, you need to carry 0 trim on the elevator in level flight...simple as that. I also said you cannot trim a plane to neutral in every attitude...inverted is one of them. Adjusting to 0 trim in level upright will not hurt inverted.....planes are designed to fly upright you need to trim from that reference or you will go nowhere.

With the engine much higher than the wing and stab line, Such as in a [Cap 232] when the engine is at full power on an upline, the plane pitches to the gear badly. This is because the engine is acting as a lever, and pulling the plane from the top of it, rather than from the center, with most of the drag below. Consequently, up thrust makes it track much better. Been there...done that. Scale models are just not the same as a pattern and this is a prime example.

I see what you are saying....do they run upthrust in Extra's and Edges?

We need to let you feel the sticks on one of these big birds... You would change your mind in a hurry... Ask Ivan how well they fly!

I am sure they fly well, but the feeling I get from talking to people is that they dont exhibit the precision of pattern models which is what I am after. I have little to no interest in freestyle or 3D flying except at the park flyer and 40 size model level.

They cant fly that well if Ivan is starting to fly foamies LOL

There really not that much more expensive than a top of the line pattern ship.

I doubt that.....for a 40% the engine is double a YS, you have 3 times the number of servos, two receivers, how many batteries?, trailers, exhaust is much more money and on and on and on.....

I just sold my professionally built and painted ZN Line Evolis, ready to fly with 50 flights on it decked to the 9 with ball bearing links and all for $3500 CND you want twice :yikes: that for your Carden which doesnt have a DA :-) or digitals :-) I can do two complete airplanes for that.

Anyways thats a whole new thread :)

[50%300SFlyer]

No change, you need to carry 0 trim on the elevator in level flight...simple as that. I also said you cannot trim a plane to neutral in every attitude...inverted is one of them. Adjusting to 0 trim in level upright will not hurt inverted.....planes are designed to fly upright you need to trim from that reference or you will go nowhere.

I would totaly agree with you, if our airplanes were not inverted, or on an upline or downline more often then not. This is why in my opinion, a stab should be set at zero. Its a slight compromise to what you are proposing, but its then the same for both inverted and upright. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. I think the difference in the size of our aircraft plays a big factor here too. Bigger does fly better! :wink:

I see what you are saying....do they run upthrust in Extra's and Edges?

No, not that Im aware of. The thrust line of the engine is relatively close to the wing. The Cap 232 is a definite exception to this.

I doubt that.....for a 40% the engine is double a YS, you have 3 times the number of servos, two receivers, how many batteries?, trailers, exhaust is much more money and on and on and on.....

I just sold my professionally built and painted ZN Line Evolis, ready to fly with 50 flights on it decked to the 9 with ball bearing links and all for $3500 CND you want twice that for your Carden which doesnt have a DA or digitals I can do two complete airplanes for that.

I guess thats one example... I recall seeing the latest and greatest Russian pattern ship for sale a while back. A friend had a used one. He wanted 5K just for the airframe! :yikes: So I guess it all depends on the example you pick. :wink:

BTW... What do you pay a gallon for 25 or 30% glow fuel??.... Gas is only 71cents a litre here today... :P :P :wink:

[AJCoholic]

Very interesting reading the discussions of two capable pilots... you better believe that a guy like me is learning a lot.

Thanks for this Chad and Mike... it should be beneficial to many other "hacks" like myself that want a better understanding of what it takes to trim a plane.

[can773]

I guess thats one example... I recall seeing the latest and greatest Russian pattern ship for sale a while back. A friend had a used one. He wanted 5K just for the airframe! So I guess it all depends on the example you pick.

Ahhh the Angels Shadow....old news old technology.....over priced !!!

If you want painted in the mold, composite Arf will sell you an Impact for $800 US same quality as the Shadow....

$500 US for a two stroke with pipe and header
$400 US for servos
$60 US for engine mount
$150 US for receiver
$100 US Misc

So you are basically at $2400 US RTF for a top end machine

BTW... What do you pay a gallon for 25 or 30% glow fuel??.... Gas is only 71cents a litre here today...


Mmmmmm, cant say but its less than you pay for gas :) I am a team flyer for XP Fuels.

You would need to burn lotsa glow to make up the difference in cost :) Two-strokes do well on 15% and get 20+ flights to a gallon, so its not that expensive.

[50%300SFlyer]

Mmmmmm, cant say but its less than you pay for gas I am a team flyer for XP Fuels.

Perhaps I can get Esso or Petro Canada to give me free gas too... :lol: :lol:


You would need to burn lotsa glow to make up the difference in cost Two-strokes do well on 15% and get 20+ flights to a gallon, so its not that expensive.

A pattern plane only uses 6.4 ounces of fuel or less, during a 15 min flight?... :shock: :lol: :lol:

[can773]

A pattern plane only uses 6.4 ounces of fuel or less, during a 15 min flight?... :shock: :lol: :lol:

I dont use a two stroke, never have never will I can only go by what people tell me they get.

I get 10 flights to a gallon on my YS.

[can773]

Perhaps I can get Esso or Petro Canada to give me free gas too... :lol: :lol:



Never said I get it for free.....

[Randy Brown]

Two Team Futaba guys going at it

This is great<G>

GO Chad Go

:)

[50%300SFlyer]

Never said I get it for free....

You are quite are correct... my mistake. :oops:

The point was, that gas is less than $3.00 per gallon at most gas stations here in Canada. Its probably 10 times that price [per gallon] or more for 25% glow fuel at your LHS. We don't burn it at 10 times the rate of much smaller displacement glow engines, [perhaps 2-3] so it is significantly cheaper, which does contribute to the overall cost.

[can773]

Two Team Futaba guys going at it

This is great<G>

GO Chad Go

:)


LOL, actually Mike and I went at it a very long time ago.....

The year was 1994 the place was Brandon the event was Sportsman pattern Nationals (ya Mike used to fly pattern).....after 8 long and hard rounds of flying I managed to sneak past Mike for the win :-)

I hope I didnt cause you to lose interest in pattern Mike hehehe :)

[50%300SFlyer]

Two Team Futaba guys going at it

This is great<G>

GO Chad Go

:)

Shall we both slap him Chad....?!?!?! :lol: :lol:

[50%300SFlyer]

LOL, actually Mike and I went at it a very long time ago.....

The year was 1994 the place was Brandon the event was Sportsman pattern Nationals (ya Mike used to fly pattern).....after 8 long and hard rounds of flying I managed to sneak past Mike for the win

I hope I didnt cause you to lose interest in pattern Mike hehehe


You know I still have a picture of the two of us on the podium somewhere Chad... Ill see if I can find it and post it here... :lol:

[can773]

LOL, actually Mike and I went at it a very long time ago.....

The year was 1994 the place was Brandon the event was Sportsman pattern Nationals (ya Mike used to fly pattern).....after 8 long and hard rounds of flying I managed to sneak past Mike for the win

I hope I didnt cause you to lose interest in pattern Mike hehehe


You know I still have a picture of the two of us on the podium somewhere Chad... Ill see if I can find it and post it here... :lol:

That would be cool, I dont think I have any pictures of that :)

[scaleguy]

I would also like to thank Mike and Chad for their input.

Arguments when presented in a civil and informative manor such as this one allow all parties to express their individual opinions and allow us to determine that which we choose to belive or embrace.

Now if only some other opposing view points could be debated in this way we would all benifit. :D

Chad you obviously haven't seen me fly... I'll be lucky to get 25 flights on the Cap before something happens. I went through 3 aircaft this season already! :yikes: Thank god the snow is coming soon! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[can773]

I would also like to thank Mike and Chad for their input.

Arguments when presented in a civil and informative manor such as this one allow all parties to express their individual opinions and allow us to determine that which we choose to belive or embrace.

Now if only some other opposing view points could be debated in this way we would all benifit. :D

Chad you obviously haven't seen me fly... I'll be lucky to get 25 flights on the Cap before something happens. I went through 3 aircaft this season already! :yikes: Thank god the snow is coming soon! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cmon, I am sure its not that bad :-)

You should take up pylon racing maybe :-) Thats about the lifespan of those planes, you would fit right in hehehe j/k

[scaleguy]

Chad,

Sad thing is yes it was ask around right Gary, Ron, Mike, Frank, Andrew & Andrew? :lol: :lol:

Well one is fixable.... it's sittingin my garage.. I' m still mad at it! :wink: :lol:

[Dennis 9412]

Hi Jim:

Why are you mad at it?

It only did what you told it to do!!

And I agree with Jim and Andrew, this is good stuff!!

Keep it up guys!!

[AJCoholic]

Jim, you need to look at buying some UGLY planes... you know they last a lot longer than those "pretty" ones ;)

[can773]

Hi Jim:

Why are you mad at it?

It only did what you told it to do!!

And I agree with Jim and Andrew, this is good stuff!!

Keep it up guys!!

I think we pretty much covered it...unless someone in the audience has a question? :)

[ronm]

Jim, don't be to hard on yourself, you showed great improvement over the last year!

[scaleguy]

Jim, don't be to hard on yourself, you showed great improvement over the last year!Ron,

I am not being hard on myself... just truthfull.

I think of myself as the "Timex IMAC Pilot".... you know takes a licken but keeps on ticken! :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

[Gary Maker]

Jim, you need to look at buying some UGLY planes... you know they last a lot longer than those "pretty" ones ;)

Well maybe not.....but you'll at least care a lot LESS crashing an ugly plane! LOL!

[Gary Maker]

Jim, don't be to hard on yourself, you showed great improvement over the last year!

Personally, I don't care to show improvement on the way I crash!! :wink: Alas but I did gain more experience doing so this year too! LOL!

[AJCoholic]

Gary its a well known and scientifically proven fact that good looking planes allways crash a lot sooner than ugly planes.... ;)

Thats why you allways makes ure your bird has plenty of hangar rash, mismatched covering patches and such, and it will last forever!

[ronm]

its a well known and scientifically proven fact that good looking planes allways crash a lot sooner than ugly planes

AHA!

THAT'S why I don't crash my planes! Their all UGLY!! :lol:

[jeang]

ronm,that because you hate them all.I always crash the planes I like,because I always fly the planes I like...lol

jeang

[Ken W]

You guys sound worse than a pair of old women! You need to talk less and fly more.
It seems strange that the only person to show up and fly on a perfect fall day was using JR equipment.
You can't "feel the difference "if you don't fly!
KenW

[Frank Klenk]

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You gotta like that JR stuff Ken! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. :wink:

[scaleguy]

You guys sound worse than a pair of old women! You need to talk less and fly more.
It seems strange that the only person to show up and fly on a perfect fall day was using JR equipment.
You can't "feel the difference "if you don't fly!
KenWKen,

What day would have that been?

If you are talking about this past Monday, 22 Nov at the Flying Tigers field well then that was me!

And you should know by now that.....


I AM CANADIAN!
&
I FLY AIRTRONICS!


:wink: :lol: :lol:

You were right about one thing though.... it was a great day of flying! :D :D

[jeang]

I am a old woman...lol

jeang

[jeang]

well...I am CANADIAN and I fly AIRPLANES...lol


jeang

[Gary Maker]

Jim

Didn't you just tell us on another forem how many planes you've demised this year??? I know there is nothing you can do about being Canadian but maybe you should do something about "flying Airtronics". Perhaps your planes will last longer? :wink:

[Bob Hudson]

Well, the weather looks like it might not be so bad tomorrow ( Tuesday)

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/local/CAXX0504?y=11&x=11 = Toronto

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/local/CAXX0184 = Hamilton

Intellicast North America Radar Loop
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USNationalWide.asp?loc=usa&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=RadarImagery&product=RadarLoop&prodnav=none&pid=none

Anybody up for 1 last hurrah ?

Flying Tigers maybe? How's the field?

Should be warm enough by lunch time or early afternoon, maybe get a couple of flights in

Try out the Proposed Sequences

Ya Baby, Unknowns tomorrow !! :? :shock:

[jeang]

Im in Bob,But You'll have to come and pick me up,I dont feel like driving.We are supose to get another 10cm of snow tonight in my area.Today would have been a nice day to fly around here,on skis tho.

later

jeang

[scaleguy]

Hey Bob,

I was just at FT field on Saturday and it was a little mushy but not too bad.

I got a couple of flights in between wind gust and with a new 16 x 4W on the enya 120R it slowed the Cap down a little but now man do I got vertical. Not unlimited but more then enough.

I can't believe how sensative a Cap is on Elevator. I only have about 3/8" throw on low rates and when I went to pull out of a dive after doing a hamerhead she used only about 2 ft of altitude to turn 90* to level flight! :yikes: Yes the wings di stay on! :wink:

I think I have to reballance though as this was later on in the flight after going through most of my fuel, so she may be a we bit tail heavy or at the very back of the CG Envelope. Still had to work to get her to spin though and a snap roll was uuuuuggggllly! Picture a Spitfire trying to do one... ended up like an elongated barrel roll.

Everything was going good till I had a flameout on take-off with the Cap about 6 feet of the ground and just climbing out. Ihad lots of runway infront but while I was concentrating on keeping the airspeed up I didn't notice that the x-wind had blown me off the runway and over the rough. Came in for what looked like was going to be agreaser landing.. right up to the moment the mains touched down in a pot hole and wooosh were stripped from the belly. Plane landed OK so just some minor repair work.. More damage to ego then anything. Just glad know one around to nominate me for the Pranged Pig.

So short story long... not fixed yet, can't fly... unless I hand launch! :wink: :wink:

Was a beautifull day out in Hamilto today to till about 2 pm then it clouded over and got cold. I wasn't flying but was working outside most of the day in downtown Hamilton so that's how I know what the weather was.

Well have fun tomorrow if you go. I think I am domne for the year.

[Gary Maker]

Jim, your going to have to build yourself a foamie so you can keep flying through the winter. I have a spare set of plans for the Extra 3DX if you want a set. 37" Span and they fly awsome!

I'll be seeing Bryan Hewett this Saturday at Mohawk Collage in Brantford for the first of a few scheduled indoor flying meets. I can pick you up a couple of sheets of Depron Foam.

I'm hoping to get my foamie done very soon. Can practice IMAC in the back yard...LOL!

[scaleguy]

Well Gary,

If I went to a faomie, you know I'd hust have to have a YAK! :lol: :lol:

Maybe if I sell the Webra then I can afoard the motor, speed control, batteries, charger, micro servos, micro RX...oh alread got one of those!

[jeang]

I made some plans for a foamy yak,Its in the shoky style.34"ws.Im gonna have to build it and c how it flys.

jeang

[Gary Maker]

Jim you gotta start thinking positive and build yourself a good plane. Forget about the Yak and go for the 3DX. As I said, I already have he plans for you here!

As for the other stuff, you know I can get it for you at a very reasonable price. And you know your just using the Yak as a way out cause you could be building the other plane right away! LOL!

And if you insist on a Yak, jeang said he has one and if you ask real nice he could probably get you the plans!!! So no excuse my friend. :wink:

[Randy Brown]

Why not just buy one of SJ new foamy yaks .. he had one at the Hobby Show flying with
foamyCreations.com

RB

[scaleguy]

I made some plans for a foamy yak,Its in the shoky style.34"ws.Im gonna have to build it and c how it flys.

jeangJeang,

Care to share?

A gauntlet has been thrown down by my good friend :?: Gary Maker! :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

Gary,

We'll talk so more ath the meeting this Wednesday. I am not sure I will make Timmies 2night.

[jeang]

I wouldn't mind charing but I drew this the old fashon way,pen and ruler.I'd have to make a set of plan on my puter to be able to chare them over the internet.
Since you ask for the plans,I whent ahead and cut a set so you can c what it looks like.I might try and put it together today and see how it looks assambled.If I put it together today,Im gona need to tear the shoky or the tribute apart so I can steal the carbon...lol.
There is no HS around here.

jeang

[scaleguy]

Looks good! :TU: :TU:

[scaleguy]

Just glad know one around to nominate me for the Pranged Pig.

So short story long... not fixed yet, can't fly... unless I hand launch! :wink: :wink:

Well I should have kept my big mouth shut!

Gary Maker saw this post and nominated me at our club meeting this past Wednesday. Seeing as there were not to many people flying in November I was the only nominee. Someone else tried to get ronm nominated for a foamie incident before the meeting but ron successfully argued that it was now December and he was uneligable for November.

When you win this award :? you MUSt display it in a place of prominance in your house. So here is proof of that! :wink: :lol: :lol: And guess what ... I have to have this out over Christmas as well.

[Randy Brown]

There trying to tell you something

[Terry Gauvin]

Well Gary,

If I went to a faomie, you know I'd hust have to have a YAK! :lol: :lol:

Maybe if I sell the Webra then I can afoard the motor, speed control, batteries, charger, micro servos, micro RX...oh alread got one of those!

Check out the link Jim, these guys have a YaK. Anybody try any of these foamies?

http://www.aerotech-rcmodels.com/Products/Foamies/foamies.html