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01-13-2017 10:45 AM
davidmc36
Re: MAAC Discussion Paper - Pending Regs

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....competition with significant prized money would have arranged their own liability coverage?
I would expect that is true.

Maybe the insurance part of MAAC would not come in to play but if done from within MAAC there could be a starting point for non-conflict safety rules for outdoor events that ultimately confine it to a controlled environment.

I will be interesting to see how things may play out as regulations get finalized.
01-13-2017 08:17 AM
Sharpy01
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The idea occurred to me of a division within MAAC since it does make sense to base a new "organization" on an existing successful one.

Is there a way to reconcile the non-profit recreational nature of MAAC with the highly competitive racing where the prize money is pretty significant? It's even on TSN now.
Dunno, but a bridge that needs to be crossed.

I am by no means an insurance guy, however, indoor flying/events will not be regulated and I would assume that the organizers of a competition with significant prized money would have arranged their own liability coverage?
01-13-2017 01:53 AM
davidmc36
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..it is probably easier to work within an already recognized organization..
The idea occurred to me of a division within MAAC since it does make sense to base a new "organization" on an existing successful one.

Is there a way to reconcile the non-profit recreational nature of MAAC with the highly competitive racing where the prize money is pretty significant? It's even on TSN now.
01-12-2017 08:38 PM
Silver Dart
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Keep up the great work Sharpy.

My only note: 4.5 Graphic notes "Tethered UAV's would be treated as obstacles - lit and marked over 50 feet"

That could turn out to be an interesting requirement for (non-MAAC) control line flyers.
01-12-2017 06:50 PM
Sharpy01
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Sharpy for MAAC president !!!!!!
....... no in a million years

cheers
01-12-2017 06:23 PM
ggtronic
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Good, agreement on key point. Hopefully you get involved and the FPV community develops a short list of those in that discipline that have the respect of most within.It's not "if", it is "when" TC pushes FPV flyers into MAAC.
https://secure.maac.ca/get_document.php?document_id=124That said, I think the MAAC board is listening and understanding that they need to embrace the new generation of modelers who are more interested on the "Tech", than history and committing aviation. Again, this presents a great opportunity for the FPV/Camera carrying birds to come in and shape that aspect within MAAC. A lot easier than trying to figure how to navigate Transport Canada and becoming recognized..... IMO.
Sharpy for MAAC president !!!!!! fully agree on everything you said !

i hope MAAC will reach lots of "REAL" FPV pilots (real fpv pilot with Google on their face often fly alone without spotter!) ... we cannot create rules for a discipline we dont practice !
01-12-2017 05:33 PM
Sharpy01
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It doesn't seem contrary to the language presented so far to imagine another Organization that has serious competition. There is nothing that says MAAC is the only Community.

Not "Commercial" but not "Recreational". Closed environment specialized flying like racing is so unique it does not fall under either. There could be laid out a unique set of operating conditions.

The right ingenuity and pursuit of a seat at the table would be a noble venture.
Absolutely, that door is open.

Just saying it is probably easier to work within an already recognized organization than to start from scratch.

...... particularly when nobody knows how a new organization becomes recognized at this point.
01-12-2017 04:55 PM
davidmc36
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Yes, ultimately FPV could very well put together their own association..Receiving a prize for display of a skill set may be a grey area...
It doesn't seem contrary to the language presented so far to imagine another Organization that has serious competition. There is nothing that says MAAC is the only Community.

Not "Commercial" but not "Recreational". Closed environment specialized flying like racing is so unique it does not fall under either. There could be laid out a unique set of operating conditions.

The right ingenuity and pursuit of a seat at the table would be a noble venture.
01-12-2017 12:42 PM
Sharpy01
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MAAC need to get experienced FPV pilot on the discussion... we agree !

There are MANY reason why more than 70%-90% canadian FPV pilot stay away from MAAC...

If TC push FPV pilot to an acredited organisation , FPV pilots might create there own
to fullfill there need because MAAC do not have realistic rules right now ?
The High Speed train is passing right now... who will jump in ?
http://www.fpvcan.com/
Good, agreement on key point. Hopefully you get involved and the FPV community develops a short list of those in that discipline that have the respect of most within.

It's not "if", it is "when" TC pushes FPV flyers into MAAC. (unless your machine is under 250 grams which will apparently also be unregulated) That said, MAAC did not advocate to force anyone into the association. In fact, MAAC official response to the Notice of Proposed Amendments was to the contrary. TC is apparently choosing a path that is easier for them.
https://secure.maac.ca/get_document.php?document_id=124


Yes, ultimately FPV could very well put together their own association, but the hook there is; "what process will TC use to "recognize" other associations? Don't know if they are even considering that currently.

That said, I think the MAAC board is listening and understanding that they need to embrace the new generation of modelers who are more interested on the "Tech", than history and committing aviation. Again, this presents a great opportunity for the FPV/Camera carrying birds to come in and shape that aspect within MAAC. A lot easier than trying to figure how to navigate Transport Canada and becoming recognized..... IMO.
01-12-2017 12:23 PM
Sharpy01
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Enjoying this discussion but a small, potentially important point ... define "for recreational purposes"

We may think we know the answer, but do the regulators?

We witnessed how in some countries where even posting a video to YouTube was interpreted as being commercial and no longer recreational by regulators.

Is a "hobbyist" who is sponsored by a local hobby shop, or a radio manufacturer really flying "recreational" or is he flying for commercial considerations. Check out with the CRA says about amateur musicians or others who receive freebies. They aren't really free and they do change the status of the performer at the event.

At what point do the prizes and awards given at events change the nature of the event from recreational to commercial. The new popularity of FPV racing and the money that is being awarded at high-level events makes one ponder the question. There are people whose who career is professionally flying what we see as our hobby.

It is an interesting delineation.
Transport Canada has indicated they will not be differentiating by commercial or recreational.

If you are operating outside of an approved organization, you will be subject to the new Regulations.

Thus, it is up to MAAC and our insurance carrier to define recreational as MAAC does not cover commercial operations. By default, I think MAAC (my opinion) draws the line at providing some form of professional service. Receiving a prize for display of a skill set may be a grey area, BUT MAAC has accepted that since the onset of the association and is part of the overall safety record. ..... again, IMO.
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