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01-21-2016 10:45 PM
HAL9KPCM
Re: RC Japan

I just saw that one tonight, glad they caught the idiot.
01-21-2016 10:38 PM
stegl
Re: RC Japan

You are welcome . A couple of weeks ago I was going through the MAAC safety regs as I had some old info I thought time to update and followed up reading all the info I could as too much cheap stuff is coming in and who knows how much interference it could cause and safety is of importance to me. Had help from various people in the know that patched up the open areas I couldn't find answers for. Everything is great until that first
fatal accident and the way things are heading in the RC industry with the drones we don't need any negative publicity to hurt our hobby. I have too much in time and money
invested to have something preventable happen.

Presume you read about the incident in Calgary, near the airport; last day or so ?
01-21-2016 10:10 PM
6spd
Re: RC Japan

Thanks for that Stegl. You sound like you know your stuff.
01-21-2016 07:22 PM
HAL9KPCM
Re: RC Japan

Personally, from a North American purchased radio, I'm not going to worry about it. Apparently the FCC standards are pretty much identical to the IC standards. Armed with my current knowledge, I probably wouldn't buy direct from Japan for a radio system. To each their own I guess.
01-21-2016 06:59 PM
stegl
Re: RC Japan

Annnd , In addition the Radio spectrum committee has tried to get IC to "rubber stamp the FAA testing results so we could get an IC approval number added to radios imported from the US also, but no way did Industry Canada want that ...they wanted to get their two cents in and in no way did they want anyone else stepping on their toes. don't think there are a lot of Futaba radios imported into Canada from Hobbico so they decided to save the bucks and not get Canadian certification. Pretty expensive . I think it starts at $15,000 per radio model plus some add-ons. Although if they place an application within one year of US testing they can save a bundle . I did read but forgot what had to be done but pretty basic stuff but then Hobbico has to apply for it. I know years ago all Futaba radios were IC stickered but with the advent of 2.4 and all the other players ; Futaba's share of the pie had dwindled quite a bit.
I know Airtronics still certifies their radios and non telemetry and telemetry receivers , Spektrum, Jeti , pretty sure Graupner and would be interesting to hear from Hitec and Frsky owners.
01-21-2016 06:13 PM
stegl
Re: RC Japan

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Stegl: i assumed that MAAC MPPD#12 document was part of the safety code. I now see its under the heading of "Policy and Procedures".
As i understood it, adherence to the safety code was a condition of insurance ?. I dont know if a "Policy" doc has the same weight.
Couple of years ago the MAAC Radio Spectrum committee that makes recommendations wanted it in the Safety code as it was back in 2012 or 13 and the powers to be moved it into the radio operating policy and procedures as they felt that it was up to Industry Canada to get their act together and enforce their own rules. Which is true. so by moving it to the radio operating procedures they wanted; those that took the time to read it, of course; to be aware of what is legally binding by IC. I would say that it also takes the liability away from MAAC and directs it to the users who have
some responsibility , Same as doing range checks, setting failsafe properly and so on. I sure don't want to be the one to try it out in a court of law in case someone was hurt from a flyaway be it the flyers fault or the equipment's fault.

Who has read the back of their MAAC card when they received it ? or do we just sign and in the wallet like me !!!!!
01-21-2016 05:56 PM
6spd
Re: RC Japan

Stegl: i assumed that MAAC MPPD#12 document was part of the safety code. I now see its under the heading of "Policy and Procedures".
As i understood it, adherence to the safety code was a condition of insurance ?. I dont know if a "Policy" doc has the same weight.
01-21-2016 05:48 PM
stegl
Re: RC Japan

That , I think would be a good question to be presented to them the next time you are in their store or talking to them to see what their response is.

Myself, I won't buy non IC stickered radios or is it stickered Non IC radios....

Just thought maybe that radios bought in the US will have FCC approval and those exported from the US into Canada may be FCC and IC stickered. Interesting.

From My understanding it is not the manufacturer ( Futaba in Japan) nor the testing facility that does this. In the case of Hobbico in the US randomly select a couple of each model and send them to the testing facility for checking and then if they meet whatever requirements they are given an approval number for that model. They then sticker the outside of the approved model . Don't know why they would
open up the case to sticker the inside ???

An approval number is assigned by the FAA or in our case IC with the first couple of letters or numbers are the manufacturer and the last x number are the approval number. In the case of a radio having an RF module it would be the RF module that gets the approval. Also any receivers that are telemetry capable must also go through the same testing. Non telemetry receivers are exempt from testing in Canada.
01-21-2016 05:45 PM
HAL9KPCM
Re: RC Japan

The part I'm curious about, and I'm not about to crack open my transmitter to find out, is that I have seen on some electronic equipment the IC sticker placed inside on the circuit board. Yes, I know it's not following standard of placing the sticker on the outside of the product, but that could be a production thing for items intended for export.

I've been looking through the industry Canada links and quite honestly think the site is as clear as mud in a darkroom.
01-21-2016 05:38 PM
bhughes
Re: RC Japan

So great hobbies etc can't legally sell futabah radios then.
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