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| 04-11-2013 04:54 PM | ||
| bcsaltchucker |
Re: Midair so be it then. Maybe TC can help to clarify things eventually. If there is a likelihood of idiots flying in approach paths, that is something I think justifies them looking at what is going in FPV, kites, large size coax helis, autopiloted helis, fast line of sight flown gasses with no spotter, etc. I know of flying fields which are not under MAAC. They have advanced, veteran pilot, safety conscious pilots and their own unique rules too. Not necessarily the same arbitrary ones MAAC folks have made up. Each to their own - they and MAAC are just private clubs suited to their members and no-one else. |
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| 04-11-2013 04:37 PM | ||
| spog |
Re: Midair Nobody said MAAC was the law of the land. The FPV crowd pays no attention whatsoever to their safety guidelines, and even ignore some of the laws of the land. That's where TC hopefully will step in. |
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| 04-11-2013 04:03 PM | ||
| bcsaltchucker |
Re: Midair thanks for the link, that post I made sums it up nicely, I stand behind it 1/ 10km flight can be done safely under the right circumstances, but not under most circumstances. Heck I could just fly straight out over the ocean at 100ft for 10km. But like I said in the link, it's not what I plan to make my regular hobby. Sue me. 2/ MAAC rule are not the law of the land, and I was doing this before MAAC had any interest in it at all - FPV had to start somewhere and outside MAAC was it. The spotter rule works for MAAC, but in reality doesn't do anything to improve the piloting nor make FPV safer though I usually have a spotter anyways as I take turns flying with other RC pilots And why not require spotters for all aircraft - the Midair in the topic of this thread could surely have been avoided with a spotter for the LOS pilot! 3/ I am getting away from beyond LOS, and haven't done so for a half a year now. I fly low altitude where models belong, unlike the typical RC soaring pilot. Now that MAAC finally endorses FPV at their fields at long last, I will be doing it at a couple MAAC clubs, in accordance with their rules, and I have flown at MAAC fields under these rules before. fortunately the private club known as MAAC does not define, nor regulate RC flying at all in Canada. But I say you fly at a MAAC field, you do as the ROmans do there and follow the rules there. |
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| 04-11-2013 04:43 AM | ||
| spog |
Re: Midair https://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/show...183#post987183 Let's count the number of MACC violations here bcsaltchucker. Aspiring to get into 10km flights are you? Using the birds as your spotter? I can smell the stench of sweat and BS in this thread from here. 
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| 04-10-2013 11:32 PM | ||
| bcsaltchucker |
Re: Midair Glide path near an airport - that is a no-go for any kind of RC pilot. FPV, line of sight, free flight, kits, heck paramotors, you name it. Any of those could try and fly there, and most adults would know, or should know, not to do that. I am in favour of IC enforcing the HAM rules, but I doubt it is likely they have done anything at all to get involved in enforcing them for FPV in practice. They will need scanning and locating equipment in the vicinity for the generally short duration that someone is flying. Ahead of time they won't know when someone is flying, nor where, so they would have to expend copious hours doing RF surveillance. I just doubt it has even crossed their mind to expend resources an such enforcement, and they would need some indication that abuse is going on to motivate them to embark on such a campaign. Further IC have no expertise nor authority to enforce airspace and model aviation rules. That would be insane, esp since Transport Canada is already in place, with the expertise and the authority to do the job. The main violation that IC would be concerned about it folks flying FPV without a HAM license. And that is not an uncommon violation. They would only really get motivated if there are complaints from other users getting interference on the frequencies - HAMs or commercial users. |
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| 04-10-2013 11:16 PM | ||
| Good Grief |
Re: Midair LOL But your forgetting one little thing. The odds are pretty good that if your at MAAC field and you are flyin' behind the flight line, the chances are pretty good that someone is gonna come over and have a wee chat with ya! Not so much when you launch a plane into the glide path near a major airport by yourself! Thats when the big boys with Federal credentials step in. MAAC clubs have (or should) decent "self-policing". Playing off the field is different. Sure some know and abide by the rules and common sense, some, not so much. The bunch that don't give a damn are frequently called "Nomads". Every hobby and sport has 'em. Good example is skiers, the ones who ski out of bounds. But the difference is, the skier that falls off a cliff isn't gonna get all the skiers shut down. Put a RC plane through a Jet engine, well you know what would happen then....... IC has the ability to scan and track a frequency. They issues the Ham licences. Why? Thats what they do, its their job! |
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| 04-10-2013 10:41 PM | ||
| bcsaltchucker |
Re: Midair Good Grief: ought to ban you and your LOS plane too at MAAC fields. The temptation to overfly the flight line is just too tempting. You can't control yourself. You are a scourge! Like that movie 'Reefer Madness.' OK I don't mean you are a scourge, but that is the nature of the argument you are making. It's not like a pilot suddenly loses all control of his senses and goes hog wild just because he is flying FPV. He is either the type that will follow the rules and respect the club or not. If he doesn't, boot him. Not sure where you are going with the Industry Canada thingy. FPVers must have a license, or fly with someone present who has a license. easy, simple. I have a license, btw. |
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| 04-10-2013 10:23 PM | ||
| Good Grief |
Re: Midair Don't know where this got into a FPV debate, but since it is, I have to ask. Where is Industry Canada going to play into this? Seems to me the easiest (possibly the only) way to catch someone flying FPV off the "reservation" is by tracking their Tx frequency. After all FVP fliers are required to have a Ham radio license, no? As a matter of opinion IC should be at the head of the regulations, then TC followed very distantly by MAAC. I for one would be in favor of MAAC not covering anyone with insurance that are flying off a sanctioned MAAC field. The temptation to fly outside the MAAC recommendationsis very tempting, especially after you become familiar with the system and views, in and from the plane. Just a thought! |
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| 04-10-2013 09:45 PM | ||
| bcsaltchucker |
Re: Midair Not trying to fool anyone. I know this is a big planet and enough idiots to make FPV looks bad despite the responsible majority of us. I fly almost exclusively at one RC field, but don't post much video of it cause it has been seen over and over enough on my older youtube postings. Although a lot of great FPV videos are indeed made within VLOS, at or near ground level, with a spotter, in wilderness areas. like this one (not mine) another great scale FPV video - low, within VLOS... https://vimeo.com/4752279 /\clickey |
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| 04-10-2013 09:31 PM | ||
| spog |
Re: Midair Looks like I struck a nerve with the FPV'ers. Quote:
Let's talk about using 72MHz equipment for increased range, illegal frequencies, illegal output power levels. This stuff is commonplace with the FPV crowd. TC needs to put the clamps on the FPV renegades, whether you like it or not. |
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