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10-15-2014 02:32 AM

bcsaltchucker

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

well maybe not over 7 V. & volt limit would restrict you to only 1S batteries and light UMX craft. I have 120 gram models that require more than 7V

I am thinking 3S 2200mah is typical largest size for 'park flyer.' Like the Parkzone warbirds. max wingspan would be like 1.3m Bixler which is kind of a motor glider (more motor, less glider). 600 grams in oem form

Now the AMA actually has set in stone limits: 2 lbs max and 60 mph max. Weight sounds about right but 100kph sound pretty darned fast for flying in a park. Obviously you are looking at 3S power to move a 2 lb model I think.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer/pp-faq.aspx

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1) Q: What type aircraft may Park Pilot members fly?
A: Aircraft are limited to 2 pounds in weight and speeds of less than 60 mph. The quiet, slow-flying park flyer aircraft allow them to fly in areas in which traditional-style models are not allowed to fly. This opens up the possibility of new fields in both outdoor and indoor venues.

And yet .. depends on the park in question. Most parks in my city are just not suited to any RC aircraft, imho. Not even micro

10-14-2014 07:05 PM

DHansen

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

Good rule of thumb is: If it uses fuel or more than 7 volts it is not a park flyer.

10-14-2014 01:24 PM

Sparki

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

Great analogy, even though you may have MAAC coverage if you're flying in contravention of MAAC rules or even your own club rules then the insurer may deny a claim and leave you, your club, and possibly the land owner, liable for the entire tab.

There is a very good article from a 2010 MAAC Mag written by the Insurance committee's Larry Rousseau giving the lowdown as succinctly as I've seen it written....Please read it carefully, and digest.

"It has come to our attention that there are some members out there who insist
on having just the kind of ‘fun’ they want and do not seem to care that what they
are doing is clearly not within the scope of our insurance coverage. When this occurs
at a club field, it is putting the whole club in jeopardy. Such activities as using
fireworks (whether attached to models or not), shooting ‘rockets’ from models,
shooting any projectile at a model and generally reckless flying, are examples of
what we are hearing about if not seeing on the ‘web. Add this kind of thing to the
very dangerous high rotor speed helicopters we have these days often seen flying
over runways close to the pilot stations and pit areas and we have a disaster in
the making.

Why is the club in jeopardy? If an incident occurred and there was deemed to
be a breach of the insurance coverage, such as the use of fireworks or any other
relevant safety code violation, including the club’s rules, there is the likelihood
that the insurance company would deny coverage. If a legal action was initiated,
the landowner could be named along with everyone else and the kitchen sink.
The landowner would have to pay for his own lawyer to defend himself (like everyone
else named in the action) as our insurance company may not help anyone
due to that one member’s actions.

When there is a breach of the insurance coverage, everyone involved is out of luck!
To stress just one part of the financial side of this, imagine an injured person
is taken to hospital and stays a week or even a month. The hospital rates these
days are in the neighbourhood of $3,000-$5,000 per day. That equates to $90,000
- $150,000 per month! The provincial medical plans that pay this will come
looking to you, yes you, for reimbursement and anyone else who is found to be
legally liable.

Please, do not put up with reckless behaviour. It just is not worth it."

Nuff said ?

10-13-2014 07:41 AM

jsparky

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

Oh yea... just another mention... the last time that heli got tested ,, on the stand.. a control linkage to one of the blades that controls the pitch of the blade broke !!!! and the heli went stupid.. hmmm glad it was restrained

Even if it was out at the field with lots of room... who knows where that thing could have gone..

I am a firm believer in mechanics.. and bench testing everything long before it ever gets to the field..

And I never object to someone asking me if I would like to have them give it a look over in case I missed something..

Particularly if you are an invited guest to another club.. I have on several occasions been invited to the KW Dutchman.. And if anyone had wanted to check me or my aircraft..

Fine by me.. they just want to know if you are being careful and that you are a safe pilot..

And flying a 600 in a park...

10-13-2014 07:27 AM

jsparky

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

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Originally Posted by coreylinhares

Really i would have never though that would even hurt you . A 450 seems too small .

Just to give a real example of what a 450 can do !! check out the pics.. that is the humidifier in my house.. and that crease and dent where caused by a 450 blade,, you can see by the length of the crease that it was a full blade contact..

Now.. the conditions leading up to this.. just learning about helis.. and with no contacts or people to fall back on for instruction ... I was learning by doing research and alot of reading.. I had been flying fixed wing for a couple of years by this time and have a great respect for the business end of these things..

I am not one to do foolish or stupid things.. I had been carefully checking over the heli , had it restrained to run up the motor.. all went well.. run up test complete.. I then set it down on the floor to be able to walk around the model to view from all angles the operation of " everything " when I noticed one control reversed.. ok easy to fix..

A momentary lapse of thinking.. and little experince.. and not because I was trying to be wreckless or stupid.. but I reversed the wrong setting.. the heli instantly jumped to full throttle,, and as luck would have it... the humidifier was the only thing that got hurt.. I couldn't imagine what that would have been.. if it was soft flesh instead of a metal humidifier..

Right after that.. I built a test stand that would allow the heli to move up and down about 2 feet.. spin 360 degrees unlimited and pitch in any direction.. the stand was tested with the heli restrained at full throttle and pitched in every direction.. to make sure it would not fail.. and with me at a good " safe " distance if it had..

So now !!! Nothing... and I do mean Nothing... gets run up or tested without being restrained...

10-08-2014 12:01 PM

JoeT

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

Kipling and Steeles at Humber Valley Flyers, we have a helipad and gladly welcome Heli Pilots.

You don't have to go too far.

10-08-2014 11:45 AM

tporter416

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

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Originally Posted by coreylinhares

I was just seeing if anyone wants to fly in etobicoke .

No worries, I also live in Etobicoke, I fly my heli's at the Mississauga model flying club. The MMFC has a large number of heli flyers, all a great bunch of guys. If you want to check it out, the field will be busy with heli flyers this saturday and sunday probably around noon. You can find where we are at www.mmfc.net, your welcome to fly as a guest if you get your MAAC.

Tom

10-08-2014 11:29 AM

Max

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

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Originally Posted by coreylinhares

I was just seeing if anyone wants to fly in etobicoke .

Hey, no worries. I hope you have learned a few things about helis in parks. That is what is nice about RCC forums- you get some good advice on subjects you maybe did not consider when you first posted your question. If it makes you a safer flier, all the better.

BTW, I would NEVER fly anything bigger than a 450 in a park. Even a 450 is pushing it. Better to fly these larger models at a proper flying field where the risks are minimised.

10-07-2014 08:00 PM

coreylinhares

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

I was just seeing if anyone wants to fly in etobicoke .

10-07-2014 07:46 PM

Boatcrazy

Re: local fly feild in toronto. no maac required

I have a 130x and even that scares me lol.
Even a small heli like the 130x can get away from you if your not completely focused.

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