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12-23-2011 03:52 PM
mryehr
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

This forum is much better than some others. Why? On other forums I've read where beginners said they were treated very badly at several clubs they visited and were flamed for their comments. They were told that it must have been the begginer's fault he was treated so badly. What? Yep, they said he must have approached the club the wrong way or some such crap.

RCCanada seems to have more civil folks here.

mryehr
12-23-2011 03:14 PM
robbthepilot
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

we fly at a local school field and when new flyers show up and are obviously in need of help we go out of our way to teach them what they need to know. Living on the island here in Victoria open space is limited unlike being on the mainland or in the flat lands. I fyou go to the local MAAC field in Saanich 99% of the members will ignore you like the plague. If howerver you show up with MAAC and the greatest plane ever you might have someone talk to you. It seems that a some clubs the members show up set up a plane, maybe go for one flight and are done. We fly for sometimes 4 hours go home recharge and go out again. We try to follow the same safety rules etc and encourage the new flyers to do the same so as not to generate any complaints from nieghbors. Hope some club guys read this thread and realize that new flyers are the future of all clubs. oh, and to the older generation, battery powered planes are the future of rc flying, do not be afraid of them...Happy Holidays to all.
12-23-2011 10:35 AM
mryehr
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

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You sir, are 100% correct!

There are few people that are so enthusiastic about the hobby that they give unselfishly to help others get involved and learn to fly. People like this are a godsend to the hobby, and more of us should endeavor to be like this, as opposed to the ones that want nothing to do with new people or worse, try to scare them away because they might intrude on their solitary enjoyment of the flying field.
I am one of those who got out of my way to give people flight instruction.
You would be quite surprised just how difficult it has been for me to do so.
Why? I can only take an educated guess, but what I've heard from beginners who I have trained, it was always those who already know how to fly. I even put in an ad in MAAC magazine offering FREE flight instruction and only received a couple replies. Even though they only lived 30 miles away, they were told in no uncertain terms by their club's instructors, not to come to me for instruction. I heard the same from beginners on my side of the border.

I've gotten flamed big time from posters on several related forums. I'm using my aircraft and equipment. I offered to travel to other clubs on both sides of the border and was turned down flat by once again, by club instructors and other officers. I had MAAC and AMA insurance at the time, so that shouldn't have been a factor. Some of those clubs didn't even have a scheduled instructional system. I was told by beginners of some clubs they could never find anyone to teach them, yet they were told there would be always someone to give instruction. What's wrong with this picture?

mryehr
12-23-2011 09:53 AM
Max
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

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I think my statements might be taken the wrong way. What I saying was veteran members and/or instructors in "most" clubs with a wink and a nudge publicly falsely claim to be ready, willing and able, to help everyone, but behind the scenes tend to not want newcomers to help overcrowd their flight lines. Since they are volunteers, they have no real obligations to do anything to help bring in new blood.

Those at AMA headquarters are quite aware of this truth, but some realize they are essentially powerless to do anything. Our hobby/sport has a terminal illness which for the most part, has no cure. After all, no one can force anyone to do anything. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

mryehr
You sir, are 100% correct!

There are few people that are so enthusiastic about the hobby that they give unselfishly to help others get involved and learn to fly. People like this are a godsend to the hobby, and more of us should endeavor to be like this, as opposed to the ones that want nothing to do with new people or worse, try to scare them away because they might intrude on their solitary enjoyment of the flying field.
12-22-2011 05:42 PM
mryehr
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

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It depends who you talk to. I've yet to hear from club members who are veteran fliers and/or instructors say they do not welcome newcomers. But, I've also have had literally hundreds of beginners tell a much different story.

I just can't imagine old hand fliers fessing up saying they don't want new blood in their club. I've heard the term "most clubs". How many clubs are there in Canada? How would anyone know the situation of "most" clubs?
If those who were given the dirty end of the stick were to publicly complain, how would they then be treated in their club?

mryehr
I think my statements might be taken the wrong way. What I saying was veteran members and/or instructors in "most" clubs with a wink and a nudge publicly falsely claim to be ready, willing and able, to help everyone, but behind the scenes tend to not want newcomers to help overcrowd their flight lines. Since they are volunteers, they have no real obligations to do anything to help bring in new blood.

Those at AMA headquarters are quite aware of this truth, but some realize they are essentially powerless to do anything. Our hobby/sport has a terminal illness which for the most part, has no cure. After all, no one can force anyone to do anything. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

mryehr
12-22-2011 04:49 PM
robbthepilot
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

Definately not saying all clubs, just the one here in Victoria from my expierience.
12-22-2011 12:21 PM
mryehr
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

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wow sounds like you have had some bad times, I think that this is more the exception than the rule, I have found most clubs in our zone welcome new pilots, but they usually have low membership numbers. This may be harder to find in big clubs.
Bill
It depends who you talk to. I've yet to hear from club members who are veteran fliers and/or instructors say they do not welcome newcomers. But, I've also have had literally hundreds of beginners tell a much different story.

I just can't imagine old hand fliers fessing up saying they don't want new blood in their club. I've heard the term "most clubs". How many clubs are there in Canada? How would anyone know the situation of "most" clubs?
If those who were given the dirty end of the stick were to publicly complain, how would they then be treated in their club?

mryehr
12-22-2011 10:52 AM
canadianf1pilot
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

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Not all of us want to join a club to learn to fly. I have found that alot of clubs look down on anyone who flys electric or does not have the latest and best equipment. Many of us fly outside of clubs to avoid all the crap that you have to deal with to be a member. As long as a person has MAAC there should be no reason that they cannot learn to fly with the help of a club member while not being a paid member of said club. Not all people have to join clubs to fly as there are many places in Canada where you can get out and toss a plane. I find the local MAAC sanctioned club to be a bunch of egotistical,grumpy old men who do nt want to help the new guys. Just my opinion.
wow sounds like you have had some bad times, I think that this is more the exception than the rule, I have found most clubs in our zone welcome new pilots, but they usually have low membership numbers. This may be harder to find in big clubs.
Bill
12-22-2011 09:19 AM
robbthepilot
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

Not all of us want to join a club to learn to fly. I have found that alot of clubs look down on anyone who flys electric or does not have the latest and best equipment. Many of us fly outside of clubs to avoid all the crap that you have to deal with to be a member. As long as a person has MAAC there should be no reason that they cannot learn to fly with the help of a club member while not being a paid member of said club. Not all people have to join clubs to fly as there are many places in Canada where you can get out and toss a plane. I find the local MAAC sanctioned club to be a bunch of egotistical,grumpy old men who do nt want to help the new guys. Just my opinion.
12-22-2011 05:02 AM
mryehr
Re: What to do - Someone selling RC lessons

Got an idea. Since there are so many instructors willing to instruct for free, MAAC should have a section where all of these instructors can submit their names to a MAAC instructor's list. AMA has such a list with contact information.

BTW, I wonder how MAAC's Sign three, fly Free program is going. After 10 years of existance, AMA's program sort of fizzled. Wonder why?

mryehr
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