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04-29-2015 05:23 AM
bcsaltchucker
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by cicopo View Post
I know this isn't the primary concern here but who regulates the other side of UAV's when doing video downlinks re Tx power output / the need to have an Amateur Radio Operators License? Are they going to try to enforce their rules & regs? Or will they be relaxed?
Sharpy is correct, and Industry Canada hasn't made any noise about FPV or UAV as far as I know. But this is worth a mention. First of all to gain access to the analog airwaves for video as used for 99% of hobby FPV systems, you need HAM license. HAM can never be used for commercial uses - period. It is amateur-only. So it is not possible to get a commercial SFOC and legally operate an aircraft with equipment used under a HAM license, including 99% of FPV systems out there.

You might be able to use a digital video downlink, which is licensed for consumer use without HAM license. These digital video systems are expensive, not very capable or safe for FPV flight at this time.

I have also heard that Transport Canada officials can get persnickety about having such RF transmitting equipment aboard a UAV. One friend wanted to put on a GSm locating device (uses cell phone airways with a sim card). TC said not allowed as they were not convinced the locating device would not interfere with the aircraft's other systems. Thus they could be even more wary of the unlicensed video transmitters (and heck even Gopro and other HD cams known to mess with multirotor systems)
04-28-2015 09:06 PM
Sharpy01
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by cicopo View Post
I know this isn't the primary concern here but who regulates the other side of UAV's when doing video downlinks re Tx power output / the need to have an Amateur Radio Operators License? Are they going to try to enforce their rules & regs? Or will they be relaxed?
Not transport canadas playground, that is Industry Canada.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/icgc.ns...l#ic-subnav-2-
04-28-2015 04:22 PM
cicopo
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

I know this isn't the primary concern here but who regulates the other side of UAV's when doing video downlinks re Tx power output / the need to have an Amateur Radio Operators License? Are they going to try to enforce their rules & regs? Or will they be relaxed?
04-28-2015 02:02 AM
bcsaltchucker
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

line of sight ... the freedom to fly without seeing the aircraft will have to be a regulation slowly phased out, yes. But this is too much to ask for right now. We will be lucky to just get acceptance of how RC flying has been done for the past 40 years with some new things like limited FPV-with-spotter added in, without adding BLOS freedom. But also, even today a commercial or amateur could try and obtain a SFOC for BLOS flying if they made a proposal that ticked all the boxes for TC (eg transponder on board + commercial pilot operator + a pilot on radios). It's what makes an SFOC 'special' - unusual flight permission for an unusual flight.
04-27-2015 09:33 PM
Helno
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

Here is an aviation news reporting on the NPRM that just closed regarding UAS in the states.

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Originally Posted by Avweb
Commenters seemed to generally have a constructive approach to the NPRM and suggested changes that would fix issues that would affect their use of the devices. But there were those who simply don't think they have any place in society or reason for being. Many of those commenting are model aircraft enthusiasts who are clearly worried that regulations will spread and "ruin our hobby." The next step is for the agency to digest the comments and then rewrite the proposed rule to reflect the suggestions it agrees with. It's not clear how long that might take but the agency has repeatedly said it's putting a huge amount of resources into the process.
The American NPRM was specifically addressing commercial operations.

Here is a good example of a comment. Many of the comments were generated as a form letter via the AMA which was well worded to protect things like FPV and flyign near airports. If MAAC does this please put some effort into personalizing your response.

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Originally Posted by Anthony Gall
These rule proposals will destroy a growing segment of technology without stopping anyone that disobeys the rules. UAS should be allowed to operate commercially under 400' AGL at all times WITHOUT the FAA getting involved. You rule just puts an unnecessary burden on people that are already following UAS rules through the AMA.

The FAA cannot stop people who don't care about rules. And there have been no fatalities due to an UAS yet. UAS have not been proven that they can damage a full size air plane yet. But the FAA is going ahead with regulations for our "safety" as if a small UAS is capable of shooting down a large airliner. This is just a knee jerk reaction. The FAA has been behind on UAS legislation, and now that if is finally proposing a rule, it is the wrong rule.

The FAA needs to leave the established rules, and also allow commercial use. And also be more concerned about Pilot's mental health, like we saw with the German Wings crash earlier this year.

The proposed licencing is tedious and expensive. A pilot should be able to attain a one time license, not test every two years. This is not a full scale airplane. It is completely different. Also, the current policy of allowing exceptions to the commercial use by using a commercial pilot are completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Being a full scale pilot does not correlate at all to flying a UAS. It is ignorant to even think so.

Commercial UAS should be allowed to operate freely with a one time license as long as they stay under 400 AGL, and do not fly in a dangerous manner. And line of site DOES NOT need to be maintained. Some of the most useful features of UAS, like bridge inspections, crop inspections, and search and rescue operations can be done safely without Line of Sight. And if they are hindered by sticking to line of site it will be no better than a person having to climb a bridge to inspect it, or checking their crop, etc.

Please amend your rules to be less stringent, and please realize that UAS under 400 AGL is none of the FAA's business.
You can read more comments here.
http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketB...=FAA-2015-0150
04-26-2015 06:50 PM
Lazy Ace
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by Helno View Post
Stop being so antagonistic. Both BC and I are Maac members.

If you think that this NPRM is only between TC and Maac then you really don't understand the process.

When this process occurs in the full size world (there is currently one happening in regards to airport usage) the various groups (COPA, UPAC) ask there members to send a message in support of the position they hold.

Until the NPRM is released we really have no idea how to react. It might be very clear legislation that only effects a very specific subset of flyers or it could be an overbearing regulation that would effect all model flying. Once we see it then individual comments that are appropriate get sent in. It could be a simple altitude restriction that effects glider pilots then we send in messages asking for some leeway to allow the activity to continue based on years or prior safe operation.
Brad has answered the question I asked thank you. Not being antagonistic simply stating how I feel. Same as the suggestion of temporary memberships so non members might fly at events. NO! Join like everyone else or go away.

Dennis
04-26-2015 06:04 PM
Sharpy01
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by Helno View Post
Stop being so antagonistic. Both BC and I are Maac members.

If you think that this NPRM is only between TC and Maac then you really don't understand the process.
...good luck. lol. Dennis more about arguing and "being right" than learning and understanding.

One can only imagine how much fun it is to hang out at his club. sheeesh
04-26-2015 05:58 PM
Bdegan
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by Lazy Ace View Post
Wasn't asking for your opinion. Not interested in the general public I am interested in supporting MAAC. The question was directed to Mr. Egan the MAAC spokesperson. Truth of the mater I don't concern myself with the interests of non members as most times it fly's contrary to mine and I feel MAAC's as well.

I keep hearing "HEY DON"T FORGET ABOUT US OTHER FLYERS" but until they actually contribute/support the organization I don't find much incentive to support them or their wants.

Dennis
Simply put, the more people that offer suggestions or honest critical comments the better.
Whether they are MAAC members or not. Call it cheating if you like. But yes, as a MAAC member your count is part of MAAC's voice and number talley. But if you wish to add comments on your own. It all adds to the overall numbers of the greater good.

If there are those out there feeling the need to vent and feel that they need to tear a strip off Transport Canada. Well...... I can't speak to their feelings.

It won't do us any favors. But it certainly won't do them any either .



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04-26-2015 03:59 PM
Helno
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by Lazy Ace View Post
Wasn't asking for your opinion. Not interested in the general public I am interested in supporting MAAC.
Stop being so antagonistic. Both BC and I are Maac members.

If you think that this NPRM is only between TC and Maac then you really don't understand the process.

When this process occurs in the full size world (there is currently one happening in regards to airport usage) the various groups (COPA, UPAC) ask there members to send a message in support of the position they hold.

Until the NPRM is released we really have no idea how to react. It might be very clear legislation that only effects a very specific subset of flyers or it could be an overbearing regulation that would effect all model flying. Once we see it then individual comments that are appropriate get sent in. It could be a simple altitude restriction that effects glider pilots then we send in messages asking for some leeway to allow the activity to continue based on years or prior safe operation.
04-26-2015 03:24 PM
Lazy Ace
Re: Transport Can - UAV under 25kg Regs Accelerated

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Originally Posted by bcsaltchucker View Post
TC as a government agency has to consider the opinions of the general public and affected stakeholders like us RC flyers. So a well thought-out letter from you and I each can help our cause, incrementally.
Wasn't asking for your opinion. Not interested in the general public I am interested in supporting MAAC. The question was directed to Mr. Egan the MAAC spokesperson. Truth of the mater I don't concern myself with the interests of non members as most times it fly's contrary to mine and I feel MAAC's as well.

I keep hearing "HEY DON"T FORGET ABOUT US OTHER FLYERS" but until they actually contribute/support the organization I don't find much incentive to support them or their wants.

Dennis
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