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07-23-2013 08:41 AM
davidmc36
Re: Servo selection question.

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Originally Posted by cravenjw View Post
.....Pumping works a servo alot more than most of the control surfaces.....
I can confirm this statement based on some current tests that I did to see if the BEC was large enough for a certain plane.

During different types of testing I found that the highest current draw was while moving all servos rapidly throughout their range. It was higher than with all servos being commanded to move but stalled by putting control locks on the flight surfaces.

There was also of course current spike when servo first starts moving.
07-23-2013 08:30 AM
Pauld
Re: Servo selection question.

Assuming you have the travels set right and the servo gears are not stripping due to mechanical binding on throttle end stops, It's vibration that kills throttle servos, not torque. A quick response throttle servo is nice for 3D but not needed for general flying.

PaulD
07-22-2013 11:06 PM
MikeCam
Re: Servo selection question.

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Originally Posted by BansheeBoy View Post
Recently I had to park a 50cc mxsr in a near by wheat field due to a throttle servo failure. The plane was damaged more then I will repair. I have been using hitec 5645 on all of my gassers with no issues (throttle servos) . The only thing different was the length of the servo arm. 1.5" where typically I use a 1" arm. The gear set stripped in this particular case. Most servo manufactures rate the servos at a given kg/cm or oz/in. Do most people actually calculate the required torque for a particular length of arm? I have to purchase new servos for a Pilot Yak 50 that requires a min of 180oz/in. In different post I have read, this plane requires 2" servo arms for max surface deflection. I just want to make sure I am ordering enough servo to achieve the required torque. Also, I need to settle my mind on other planes. Is this me over thinking again or a Real concern.

Servo's are rated with 1" arm so if your using a 2" arm you would need a servo rated with 360 oz/in to get your recommended specs.
07-19-2013 10:10 AM
BansheeBoy
Re: Servo selection question.

Thanks for the lesson. I should have used the term "force". Lol.
07-19-2013 12:30 AM
sibola
Re: Servo selection question.

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Originally Posted by cravenjw View Post
We had a 30cc pilot yak55 go in bad last weekend. It was ugly. Not a fixer upper either.

I would like to point out the following (and sorry for those who don't like psychics);
Servo torque does not change with arm length.
Force applied by the arm to the surface or to a throttle linkage varies with length.

Torque = force x distance, where distance is measured from the servo shaft to the arm hole you choose to use.

A servo with a 1" arm has same torque as when using a 2" arm, but 1" arm can push (force) twice has hard, while the 2" can travel twice as far.

You choose arms to get the mechanical throw required for the surface, usually to maximize the allowable travel, while staying in the normal rotation range of the servo (which is usually -45 to +45deg).

Personally, i think throttle setup is simplest, when you use an arm with the same length as the arm on the carb. I was all electric, when i went gas, i found the throttle very non linear. A buddy showed me how to setup mechanical expo on the throttle. its simpler with a slightly longer arm.

If your a sport flyer, the servos you listed are fine.

It you are a 3d flyer and are a throttle pumper, consider upping the torque, and using a aluminum cased servo, to keep it cooler. Pumping works a servo alot more than most of the control surfaces.
I have used savox 1251 in most of my planes. no issues. Metal gear, metal case, and light.

Recently, i put a savox 1267 in my 50cc slick. I had is lying around. It moves real fast a 6.6V. Its around 220oz.in at 6.6V. I am a throttle pumper, and when i come down its not hot, but it is lot warmer than any of the surface servos. In terms of torque, seems like overkill, but the temperature suggests that i might have trouble with a lesser servo. The throttle speed is noticeable, and i like it.
thats my 2cents, good luck
LOL
07-18-2013 10:21 PM
cravenjw
Re: Servo selection question.

We had a 30cc pilot yak55 go in bad last weekend at our club. It was ugly. Not a fixer upper either. Throttle servo failure.

I would like to point out the following (and sorry for those who don't like physics);
Servo torque does not change with arm length.
Force applied by the arm to the surface or to a throttle linkage varies with length.

Torque = force x distance, where distance is measured from the servo shaft to the arm hole you choose to use.

A servo with a 1" arm has same torque as when using a 2" arm, but 1" arm can push (force) twice has hard, while the 2" can travel twice as far, at half the force.

You choose arms to get the mechanical throw required for the surface, usually to maximize the allowable travel, while staying in the normal rotation range of the servo (which is usually -45 to +45deg).

Personally, i think throttle setup is simplest, when you use an arm with the same length as the arm on the carb. I was all electric, when i went gas, i found the throttle very non linear. A buddy showed me how to setup mechanical expo on the throttle. its simpler with a slightly longer arm.

If your a sport flyer, the servos you listed are fine.

It you are a 3d flyer and are a throttle pumper, consider upping the torque, and using a aluminum cased servo, to keep it cooler. Pumping works a servo alot more than most of the control surfaces.
I have used savox 1251 in most of my planes. no issues. Metal gear, metal case, and light.

Recently, i put a savox 1267 in my 50cc slick. I had is lying around. It moves real fast a 6.6V. Its around 220oz.in at 6.6V. I am a throttle pumper, and when i come down its not hot, but it is lot warmer than any of the surface servos. In terms of torque, seems like overkill, but the temperature suggests that i might have trouble with a lesser servo. The throttle speed is noticeable, and i like it.
thats my 2cents, good luck
07-18-2013 09:23 PM
BansheeBoy
Re: Servo selection question.

I just used a servo arm I had on hand. I don't think I going much bigger then a 150 yak. Maybe a Carden someday. I usually don't waste much money on oversize servos for 50cc and under because I know they have a short life. Lol.
07-18-2013 05:08 PM
zdsh13
Re: Servo selection question.

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Originally Posted by BansheeBoy View Post
Recently I had to park a 50cc mxsr in a near by wheat field due to a throttle servo failure. The plane was damaged more then I will repair. I have been using hitec 5645 on all of my gassers with no issues (throttle servos) . The only thing different was the length of the servo arm. 1.5" where typically I use a 1" arm. The gear set stripped in this particular case. Most servo manufactures rate the servos at a given kg/cm or oz/in. Do most people actually calculate the required torque for a particular length of arm? I have to purchase new servos for a Pilot Yak 50 that requires a min of 180oz/in. In different post I have read, this plane requires 2" servo arms for max surface deflection. I just want to make sure I am ordering enough servo to achieve the required torque. Also, I need to settle my mind on other planes. Is this me over thinking again or a Real concern.
Never had an issue on my gasses ever, I use 5645 and 5625's on throttle all the time. I never used 1.5" arms on my throttle, usually just the stock blue arms as I never need that much travel.

The larger the arm the less useful torque your servo will have, instead of buying servo's to match the plane think where you might be in a few years in the hobby. I'd rather purchase servos once and re-use in a larger airframe than to have to purchase again.
07-18-2013 03:10 PM
bhughes
Re: Servo selection question.

Never cauculated it but I like 1251 or 1252 savox for throttle. And 1231 savox's are a great price at 444oz. Their. Cheaper then the 1256's that are 277oz
07-18-2013 12:58 PM
BansheeBoy
Servo selection question.

Recently I had to park a 50cc mxsr in a near by wheat field due to a throttle servo failure. The plane was damaged more then I will repair. I have been using hitec 5645 on all of my gassers with no issues (throttle servos) . The only thing different was the length of the servo arm. 1.5" where typically I use a 1" arm. The gear set stripped in this particular case. Most servo manufactures rate the servos at a given kg/cm or oz/in. Do most people actually calculate the required torque for a particular length of arm? I have to purchase new servos for a Pilot Yak 50 that requires a min of 180oz/in. In different post I have read, this plane requires 2" servo arms for max surface deflection. I just want to make sure I am ordering enough servo to achieve the required torque. Also, I need to settle my mind on other planes. Is this me over thinking again or a Real concern.


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