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09-28-2015 08:12 PM
OLD PRAIRIE RED NECK
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

[quote=moo;2561602]
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Originally Posted by Mike Sebastien View Post
Here is what I found. Noise reduction and improved lift/drag

Like owl wings, clever
You read my mind again! That is exactly what I was thinking when I saw them.
09-28-2015 11:01 AM
moo
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

[QUOTE=Mike Sebastien;2561066]Here is what I found. Noise reduction and improved lift/drag

Like owl wings, clever
09-28-2015 10:59 AM
moo
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

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This old theory does not work, Mainly because the air is dead calm and not flowing anywhere. As a matter of fact some of the air close the the airfoil is dragged in the same direction as the wing passing through it. It was about the seventh time I had the theory of flight lecture and during the question period one of the guys walked up to the board and drew a dozen dots on the board and said " That is dead calm air, how does the wing produce lift?". After coffee all the instructor could come up with is a wing pushes air down to cause lift.
Yup, people are still referencing a book from 1738 (Hydrodynamica by Daniel Bernouli) on how wings fly

look up Coandă, von Kármán, and Micheal Selig for theories only decades old
09-28-2015 06:55 AM
OLD PRAIRIE RED NECK
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

Thanks Mike! Some interesting reading there. I wonder if it has been incorporated into aircraft design. I also am thinking there could be something to gain by modifying props this way.
09-27-2015 11:02 PM
Mike Sebastien
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

Here is what I found. Noise reduction and improved lift/drag

http://www.google.com/patents/US5088665
09-27-2015 07:54 PM
OLD PRAIRIE RED NECK
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

Not much action on this thread lately so I thought I would try waking up the inquiring minds with this puzzle.

I was driving by some wind charger blades today and I understand what vortex generators do but the little triangles on the trailing edges near the tips have me a bit puzzled. Are they for efficiency gains or is it some noise suppression device?

The last picture shows them and they run from the tip to about 1/2 the way to the root.
05-20-2015 01:26 PM
Flydynamics
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

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the advent of 'wingtip devices' such as winglets really helped reduce the intensity of these wingtop vortices. obvious gains in efficiency and lift as a result.

The Rutan Vari-EZ was the first to put winglets into practice. What a genius that guy is. Now he is working on a seaplane with huge shock absorption system.
It reduces the difference of pressure between intrado and extrado and then reduce drag, lift doesn't get affected by it but as drag is reduced, it gives a ratio L/D more interesting.
05-20-2015 01:11 PM
bcsaltchucker
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

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Believe it or not the DC9/ MD11 style aircraft made the largest vortices. It was quite the thing to see.
the advent of 'wingtip devices' such as winglets really helped reduce the intensity of these wingtop vortices. obvious gains in efficiency and lift as a result.

The Rutan Vari-EZ was the first to put winglets into practice. What a genius that guy is. Now he is working on a seaplane with huge shock absorption system.
05-20-2015 12:16 PM
CF105
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

The Soviets did a lot of work with "Wing in Ground Effect" designs. Google "Caspian Sea Monster" or "ekranoplan" (my spelling of that is dodgy!). Interesting stuff.
05-20-2015 09:24 AM
kip51035
Re: Aerodynamics trivia questions

The total effect of ground effect is when the wing is half its span or less from the ground. Beyond that it diminishes quite quickly. With a rotary wing aircraft it is effective at 1/2 the main rotor span. It has the effect of extra lift and makes the aircraft float until speed bleeds off and lift diminishes. I was in a hotel room in Toronto, my room faced the airport and I could see the runway clearly. The aircraft were landing every five minutes. It was snowing lightly I could clearly see the wing tip vortices. The initial effect on the vortices was to flatten the bottom. I could clearly see the the ground effect and at touch down the aircraft would disappear in a cloud of snow. The ground effect was first noticeable in the flap area and quickly spread to the wing tips. The ground effect on a high wing aircraft was a lot less noticeable. Believe it or not the DC9/ MD11 style aircraft made the largest vortices. It was quite the thing to see.
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