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02-08-2017 03:07 PM

garyr1

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Great to know. Thanks folks!

02-08-2017 02:15 PM

Billpilotca

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

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Originally Posted by garyr1

Clarification on the intermediate sequence roller (#10) Is this 45 degrees as I see it drawn?

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Originally Posted by BMG

Gary:

There are no maneuvers that exit at a 45 degree angle. 90 degrees for #10.

Gary - Brendan is correct of course. When you see an Aresti with a 45 degree line on the Y axis (outbound / inbound) it is going to be a 90 degree cross box - out or in - pilots choice. Cannot really draw a 90 degree line on the Y axis so it is drawn as a 45, but there is no 45 degree line flown on the Y axis.

02-08-2017 12:28 PM

BMG

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Gary:

There are no maneuvers that exit at a 45 degree angle. 90 degrees for #10.

02-08-2017 12:26 PM

garyr1

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Clarification on the intermediate sequence roller (#10) Is this 45 degrees as I see it drawn?

02-07-2017 08:35 AM

Billpilotca

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

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Originally Posted by Bryan Mailloux

Opps just the out side loop.
My point was for footprint and time it is more important to not be in the box deep while inverted to try and do a half roll.

Nope - not allowed. This is where the rule 13.5 has a bit of an anomaly and I have been discussing this with our Chief Judge. If you exit the roller upright and then pull a half loop with half roll at the top, technically that is allowed. But from inverted you are not allowed to push the half outside roll if you don't also include a half roll.

I know, I know, I know - don't argue - it is the way the rule is written. Ty Lyman and I are talking about it. You are only allowed to fly exactly what is specified in 13.5 and nothing outside of that.

Technically you could exit inverted, do a half roll to upright (allowed) then a half loop with half roll at the top (allowed) coming inbound. But really not practical from a pilots point of view as you would use up a lot of real estate on the y outbound axis. Still best from inverted to half roll to upright then procedure turns back into alignment.

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Originally Posted by Capcanuck

Ah the perils of the 1/4 roller! I remember one year they had it as a roller in...talk about panic then��

I remember trying to fly one of those in an Unknown for about day 3 of the Worlds in 2014. First time I ever had to fly a 90 degree roller inbound. If I remember correctly it was preceded by a cross box humpty going outbound and then the roller coming back in. Was one of those sphincter tightening moments !

02-07-2017 07:42 AM

Capcanuck

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Ah the perils of the 1/4 roller! I remember one year they had it as a roller in...talk about panic then😱

02-06-2017 06:03 PM

Bryan Mailloux

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Opps just the out side loop.
My point was for footprint and time it is more important to not be in the box deep while inverted to try and do a half roll.

02-06-2017 01:17 PM

BMG

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Thanks Bill, great information for a highly discussed topic.

I'll have to practice that exit as my rollers typically end up quite a way out. I used the pull (from upright), and push (from inverted) methods in the past just to save time and start heading back in as quickly as possible. Maybe I can start the roller from a closer line and slow it down a bit.

Doesn't hurt to be thinking sequences through this time of year to plan how they will be flown and look.

Brendan

02-06-2017 07:54 AM

Billpilotca

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

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Originally Posted by Bryan Mailloux

Bill, in the past for foot print and timing issues, the exit of the roller cross box inverted. we could do just a half outside loop. Then when going in bound finish the half roll.

Hi Bryan - if you exit inverted and push an outside loop you are upright coming back in, but the half roll (outside loop) is not allowed in 13.5. Iif you then did a half roll you would be inverted again. Cannot fly around inverted and also cannot do two half rolls sequentially back to upright.

Just saying don't do it. If exit inverted, half roll to upright then procedure turns back into alignment for either the second sequence or landing.

02-06-2017 04:42 AM

Bryan Mailloux

Re: Intermediate Sequence Entry and Exit 2017

Bill, in the past for foot print and timing issues, the exit of the roller cross box inverted. we could do just a half outside loop. Then when going in bound finish the half roll.

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