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10-03-2014, 01:19 AM | #1 |
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Please really think before you act
Posted these as responses to a multi rotor thread but I think I went far too off topic of what my original reply should have been so I think that it should get posted in its own thread. Been doing homework studying and writing essays all night lol so just in a really deep work mindset and went a little crazy on my typing, it may seem off topic but its directed at flying and how people really need to think of their actions and what consequences can come from them and yes this directed at models but applys to everything in life! Been a rough week for me and realized how long its been since I have been on RCC let alone gone flying and after reading here for a bit I needed to do a bit of rant lol Some bad things have happened recently just thought that the lessons learnt from them could really help and apply here lol. Came back with quite the typing but hopefully I make more time for the hobby again soon. Again sorry for the bad spelling, punctuation and even just the kinda jumping around with my story's had to type on my phone and just got a little carried away. And to the parts about park flying they are in there because this was originally directed at a thread asking about park flying legalities and moralities.
"Even a year or two ago I could fly FPV in the fields near my house with no issues. Even had a officer come by because the EPS Heli saw me as they flew over and sent someone to see what I was doing with all the gear setup lol. No question of tickets or anything just a "REALLY YOU CAN SEE THE VIDEO LIVE?" "CAN I TRY WATCHING?" but now thanks to some companies every person mom dog and unborn child are going out and buying multi rotors and other models and doing dumb stuff with them wrecking it for all of us not saying this doesnt happen with anything else invented in the world but I really feel the need to rant on this one. All before these RTH and autopilots and stuff we didnt have issues with it because it wasn't a popular hobby and if anyone did go out and buy something to try and do something they most likely would crash right away before they could do anything and by the time they were able to fly they would have enough respect for the hobby after all the building and crashing that they most likely wouldnt do something dumb now because they would have realized how awesome it was. Not to say it wasnt an issue at all but not enough to strike world wide controversy about it. Now you can buy these fpv kits and multi rotors and planes that RTH and fly on their own so people are able to control them enough to do dumb stuff, Sure that's great technology for us as its redundancy and safety backups but in the eyes of other people its a "Hey this thing can fly itself and hold position lets go fly it off my NYC apartment balcony and record planes landing...." For example if anyone knows Edmonton at all I live in the south side in the river valley and they built a beautiful but overly expensive walking bridge which I love flying around because there are so manu cool things in the river and lots of wildlife around to admire from a far... but some guy there a few months ago brought a phantom down there and was flying around chasing the geese and their young wayy too close trying to get a "good shot" because "they dont mind" when they are clearly trying to get away but some by stander saw this and I think they were a UofA environmentalist student because after we said stop they freaked out more and made a huge police deal out of it.... Long story short I now cant even fly out of my backyard because the police will show up and try and fine me because these "Drones" are a threat to public safety. And for the people that say I shouldnt fly in my backyard and all that, yes technically im in city limits but I live on 3 acres of land and mainly only fly over my property or over the river when theres no boats or anything. Far away from people or things to damage. Yes I do have a few neighbors but all of their houses are surround with HUGE trees with big tops that cover their houses. I even had a DJI 450 have the NAZA fail on my and go crazy but it didnt even make it past the first set of trees. Again its being responsible unlike some people that are going out and flying near airports and such. Sorry for the long rambling rant but I havent been on RCC much and have been holding this in for a LONG LONG TIME and it just drives me crazy that back when I started FPV it took me weeks if not months to get my Old but new at the time 900MHZ setup working with any kind of range. I was lucky to fly one circuit. Now anybody can go buy goggles and a hook a transmitter to their go pro and go flying and get range thats so good their models will run out of fuel or battery before they can get anywhere near its range limit. And now with new electronics being increasingly more efficient models can fly longer which some eyes means more range which then turns back to the eyes of to companies to then make even longer range possibilities in an endless cycle until we will eventually end up with everyday models flying laps around the globe like its nothing. I think companies shouldn't be making this stuff so easy to use because back before FPV became popular and which even before multirotors were a thing, you had to have passion and dedication to get it working and keep it working which stopped just anybody and everybody from doing it because now its way too easily accessible and we wonder why we have issues. And speaking of flying near airports one of the main reasons I havent been on RCC or even really out flying is because I have been very focused with my full scale commercial license courses and a few months back when I was flying in Palm springs in a 172 I had fairly close call with a multi rotor being too high and in the wrong place at the wrong time. There was no incident and everything was avoided but as a fellow modeler while Im flying full scale, models are one thing I really look out for because I have been around long enough to learn that a scary amount of people dont follow airspace rules with models like flying too high or in places there shouldn't be models in the air at all but if I was some regular old joe blow with a rec permit out on a nice sunday flight I might not have seen and had it come right thru my prop,window or even take out a flight surface not to mention a lets say a foam multiplex twin star doesnt seem like much of a match to a a huge aluminum plane spinning big prop but even the smallest things can be lethal like it doesnt sound bad but a 5 pound foam plane hitting head on 200 mph+ could really do some damage like look what small birds do to giant airliners imagine what a full carbon and metal DJI S900 could do a little cessna like it would be beyond fatal .... Im just lucky i had my eyes peeled at the time and wasn't doing something on the gps or even just not paying close attention. Anyways sorry for the long hard to read rant just been holding that in for two long!!!! And sorry for the bad punctuation and typing had to do this all on my phone lol. I think just how you have to show ID when buying alcohol or tobacco people should have to show some ID when buying FPV Gear or even models by showing a MAAC or AMA card or even just something thats free and easy to get to show you have enough knowledge not to be a complete jackass with whatever your buying, Ill admit it I have done some dumb things with models and fpv so I am one of the people that has done things that can make a somewhat bad name for the hobby but Im talking things like field cruising or going a little bit higher than the 400' but it was all in a safe manor like for example if I ever was going to any sort of height with FPV gear I would have my aircraft radio scanning the local frequencys for traffic and even spotters just to watch for any sort of traffic which yes I may have broken the rules, Will I do it again most likely not. Its when I see video of guys flying 100 feet away from a fully loaded 737 landing sure its a cool video and yes you may thinl your safe and far away but lets say you get a gust of wind you may look far away but even a 15km gust of wind could make that plane look a whole lot closer in your screen faster than you can think and you fly into the plane and lets say your model goes through the engine wrecking it well not only have you wrecked an engine but what if the aircraft is fully loaded and needs to go around you could have very well just killed all those people so people please think before you do, Yes It may look cool or be fun but always exaggerate and thing of wow what is the worst possibly that could happen, Yes I can go under this telephone or power wire but what if I hit it and it shorts out and sends a burst to the nearest poles or house and starts a ton of fires or does something bad it prob isnt likely of happening but thats not saying it wont happen. Life Is a strange thing and the unthinkable can happen, Just this week we had a fellow young modeler and a close friend of mine pass away at just 16 because someone wasn't thinking of what could really happen and did something dumb with a vehicle that caused an accident and killed 2 16 year old kids just like that. So anyways sorry for my long rant just wanted to put my 2 cents in while checking whats going on in the modeling world that I dearly miss and hope to get deeply back into very soon." "WOW didnt realize how much I actually typed lol just finished doing homework so must still be in study mode and got carried typing away. Looks like alot on the phone screen but it always does lol But I just realized how much I really type. Hate to say more and its a kids worst dream to have to say your right to your parents and I should have listened your crazy sounding wisdom because I now realize it is true.. My dad always said think of the worst possibility like lets say your going to go for a walk and you may not think its gonna happen but what if a sinkhole opened where you were walking and you fell in or a plane falls from the sky and lands on you. Its sounds outrageously crazy and you always never expect crazy stuff like that will ever happen but I have realized it that he has always been right and had to learn it the hard way this week by hearing about my friend. I bet he didn't think that would be his last car ride but thanks to some mentally incapable human that didn't think even just for a second of if I do this could I hurt someone, clearly not one little bit because thanks to their decision of making the choice of having a few too many drinks and then driving home they now have the blood of two awesome 16 year old kids on their hands just because they didn't what is the worst that could happen if I do this and no it wasnt the worst thing that could have happened they could have hit a bus full of kids or done even worse but now just because you wanted to have a few drinks and didn't want to get a ride home you have cause not only taking the life of two teens with full lives ahead of them but the grief of their families and friends. Sorry for ranting about this to but im very rattled about this still and think it applies to my rant above as these models may be a fun hobby but one wrong move and the unthinkable can happen from even the smallest things. People always think crazy things never happen to them just in stories and such and I am still thankful that I was not able to witness the full incident but a few years back at one of my fields down south someone didn't tie their dog up and some way that poor little puppy ended up going straight through the prop of a DA 170 swinging like 30"- 40" prop. an Yes it was all over quick and the poor puppy did not suffer but again someone wasn't thinking what the worst that could happen was and their choice of letting the dog off of a leash not only took the life of the dog and yes the thought of the owner loosing the dog is bad but they made the choice and the fact is that you made the bad decion and I think having to live with that mental image and loosing your pet is enough bad things for you but many people even children had to witness that gruesome and horrifying incident plus the owner of the plane is still most likely pondering in the back of his mind on blaming himself for not being able to shut it off before the dog ran up to or whatever when its not his fault but when stuff like that happens people blame themselves that shouldnt be blamed or even have to go through those horrifying things just because you didnt think twice about your actions actions. Sorry for sounding so repetitive and even posting huge paragraphs not totally even related to your thread but I just cant emphasis it enough to everybody and anybody to please think before doing dumb stuff and especially with models as I was even hoping to someday have kids and get them into the hobby and pass it down the generations of this wonderful sport but I never thought I would have to but now I have an actual worry that I wont be able thanks to some person that's not thinking that will cause something terrible that will cause the hobby to be banned for good and ruining for tons of people thanks to a small majority that just cant let other people have fun. Now this isnt directed at the thread as I know its frowned apon but I will admit I have flown in many parks if not hundreds. If you act in a safe manor it can be done 100% safely so if you have an empty safe park nearby please fly there and show off our wonderful hobby but dont be that jackass flying a 700 size heli in a school field doing dumb uncontrolled with kids around or in the middle of soccer games that are nearby. Park flying may be frowned apon but if there arent people around or if there are but you dont pose any threat to them or anyone around you please go fly your brains out! Anyways Im done and anyone from Lloyd or the surrounding areas and Knew Drew MacEachern you would be able to vouche for how much of great kid he was and what people are now missing out on because now because now nobody can enjoy his great personality, RIP buddy sleep well. Also people from Lloyd that may know her not as modeler but as great girl Dakota Sydoruk pepper. Both passed away at 16 because somebody made a bad choice but I guess things happen for a reason and they are in a better place but please everybody be smart with your models and even everything else in life and think twice before doing something you think might cause harm... Ok Im done for real this time! Cheers, MAD-MAX! "
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10-03-2014, 01:47 AM | #2 |
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Re: Please really think before you act
that post is unreadable. Please go back and put in some paragraphs and structure.
you sound like this - anyone different than you is either an idiot or a maniac. Is that what you're saying? http://youtu.be/XWPCE2tTLZQ Last edited by bcsaltchucker; 10-03-2014 at 01:53 AM. |
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I am just kidding - just becomes very straining on the eyes to read a huge paragraph. In my 40s I am of short attention span, so I need to skim over and find the meaty parts in bite size chunks.
But I thin I agree with one point: Toomany maniacs with RTF DJI Phantoms. I had a solution but nobody cared, so now I don't care any more either. Just hope MAAC can keep us sunny side up. |
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Totally agree lol Im 16 and pretty sure I have ADD so It makes it easy for me to just hop around in the paragraph and skip ahead then come back and so on the make it make more sense!
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Yeah, I pretty much got your point from the first 1/4 of it but could not stay glued any longer.
But you do have a valid point. Too much selling as ready to go "Toys" out of the box and many people who have no respect for what or where they are flying end up with their hands on them.
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Funny I clearly remember a almost exact same story like this being discussed when I got into the hobby on how all us "Newbies" have it too easy with the new invention of ARF's that go together with almost no skill except for the skill of reading for the assembly manual lol. I never understood it at all, I thought ARFs were awesome cause they were cheap, easy to be build and could mostly be finished in a day. I guess now Im the shoes of the people that ranted to me about ARFs because I dont like the new technology that im not used to of not having to assemble or even actually being full control of it. Lets hope the guys that were complaining to me about ARFs dont hear about todays RTF stuff that even flies itself that for you that I dont even like lol I can only image the ear load on that one. Now im starting to wonder if there's really a threat or I just don't like it cause its not what was around when I was learning the ropes? HMM seems like it could be a good poll question lol
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Yeah, I've seen some rants about ARF's. They rant when somebody does a "Build Thread". They say it's not a build, it's an assembly, you didn't build it. The same people rant when you say you "Programmed" your radio, "It's not programming, you program a computer, you set-up an RC radio"
It's all a big smoke show. So you skip the longer part of starting with sticks and glue when you build and ARF. You can still take much care, spend a great deal of time, if you want to do it right. I will do things like cut off all the control surfaces that were put on with CA hinges and put good hinges in their place. Also will use more engineering with control rods to make the static setup better rather than just blindly following the instructions in the manual. I've done plenty of kit building too. I like both for different reasons. Then I go and program my radio and get the same enjoyment out of flying. I don't care what route I took to get there or what verb is used to describe the action, it's not remotely relevant. I think if people took the time to actually learn about the technology they are flying, when they scoop a DJI at Henry's, and gained some respect for responsible use, you would not see so much shenanigans. The ones who don't, put a burr under my saddle too. I also get irked if I see an ARF (or kit build for that matter) with haphazard assembled bits and somebody who has not taken the time to build it with quality. Now look, ya got me ranting!
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