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08-16-2005, 04:46 PM | #21 |
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Geoff,
I am in agreement with you on all aspects of the marshalling issue. It is a major problem the last few races. I am also in complete agreement with 8 vehicles per heat and actually look forward to it. We had a few races where things went really smoothly. THe day started on time, the computer worked well, the races started when the clock hit zero (some even before that), and the mains went smoothly. However, even though things went smoothly the day still ended at 7-7:30 pm. All I am saying is that to add another class to this would add at least an hour to day. Now, think of it this way.....We have a bad day, a few marshalling issues and get started a little late.....Now we have the unfortunate circumstance of only running 2 qualifiers rather than three all because we are now running 6-7 classes...... It is not the addition of a class that is bothering me, but how it is being proposed......the attitude of lets just throw another class in the mix????? I have heard grumblings of a truggy class next year, now a 4x4 electric class.....where do we draw the line.....I for one don't want to have a race day where I only run 2 heats of qualifying and then the mains. IF we choose to adopt new classes, I feel the race day will be ruined. It is already a jumbled mess of heats and vehicle types. Lets promote what we ALREADY run, rather than look for a new class to gum up the works!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike
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08-16-2005, 09:13 PM | #24 |
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Assume we put 8 cars in each heat and we get
up to 16 electric buggies (4 min heat, 4 min main) up to 16 electric trucks (4 min heat, 4 min main) up to 24 nitro trucks (5 min heat, 5 min main except A - 15 min) up to 24 monster trucks (5 min heat, 5 min main except A - 15 min) up to 16 1/8 nitro buggies (5 min heat, 5 min main) We have 4 minutes between heats We have 15 minutes between round 1 and 2 for late entries We have 10 minutes between round 2 and 3 We have 15 minutes between round 3 and the mains to sort and post the mains We start at 10:00 AM Do the math here - we finish at 5:57 PM As far as getting these times right on race day - the only thing that we are hitting the target time on is the length of the race. If we had these numbers of racers attending it would actually be easier to keep things on schedule. The heats could be seeded with nobody running back-to-back heats and there would be NO EXCUSE for not being ready or not marshalling. 4 minutes between heats is plenty of time to get on the track - it's as long as the electric race. That should be plenty of time, even if you're marshalling the race before your heat. I would suggest that if you can't do it in that time, don't run so many classes. Impound tables do work. They have to be done properly though. It is the only place your car can be other than on the track from the time your race starts until you have finished marshalling. If you need to restart or pop a ball cup back on during the qualifiers you can do that in the impound area - not back in the pits. Remember, you are only qualifying. Only your best run counts when sorting for the mains. If you need extensive repairs you aren't going to get your best run anyway so it won't affect which main you are going to be in. |
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08-17-2005, 06:44 AM | #25 |
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Agreed, running 8 a class we finish at 6. Now add another class ant it is 7 or later. All i am saying is,
Does our small racing population really need another racing class? Mike
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08-17-2005, 10:55 AM | #26 |
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Mike - I don't know who you are agreeing with that we finish at six. The whole point of my last ramble was that we should finish at six, we don't, and why the $%%^ not?????
To make it even worse, the timeline of the raceday I put in has 12 heats and we still should be able to finish by six. That is more than we have ever had on our busiest day, but it is reasonable to expect there to be that many entries very soon, given the rate participation is growing. Does our small racing population really need another racing class? - No, of course we don't need to add anything to lengthen the day. We really should get back to the intent of the original question raised in this thread though - jjag would like to see the electric classes survive. I suggested that we could not add a class at this time, and how about allowing 4WD in the same heat as the 2WD? This is the same type of question as allowing Truggies in with the monster trucks - the racers voted and IMHO came back with the right answer. It may have been different if the monster truck class was dwindling in numbers and it was a possible way to keep it from dying. How about we turn this thread back to the electric buggy racers and see if they want the 4WD to be allowed on the track with the 2WD, or if there are any other suggestions on how to keep the electric class going. I will start a new thread to specifically deal with the topic that seems to spawn from every thread - how do we keep the raceday on schedule. |
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08-17-2005, 11:07 AM | #27 |
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Geoff,
Al I was agreeing with was that mathematically we should finish at 6, not realistically. Also, one race day this year we had 13 heats per round. I like your idea of running 4x4 and 2wd buggy together, however i doubt that is John's desired result as he races 2wd buggy....lol i have said it before, and will continue to say it.... !!!!!!!Promote what we run!!!!!! We run 5 classes, one of them has to appeal to racers, there is no need to run a new class. Mike
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08-17-2005, 11:45 AM | #28 |
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Whoa!
Man, did I ever open up a can of worms! teehee
First of all, I didn't realize that Electric 4x4's were so expensive...are they more expensive than 1/8, or Monsters though? Second, if the technology is there...use it! I can't wait to get a brushless/LiPo setup! I'm sure I could run longer than any nitro out there with that setup. Yeah, it's expensive now but if you had to add up the price of fuel and compare it to electricity to charge a pack, it's quite comparable and the more people that use it the quicker the price will drop. And don't forget, if it's a better product ( ie. LiPo pack ) expect to pay more for it in the first place. I see all this new technology coming down the pipes for electrics and I think there will be a resurgence in electric participation and I want to make sure that there will still be electric classes to race when that happens. In fact, I feel that a time will come where electrics will out gun and out run nitro's in every aspect. ( Now, if that doesn't start something, huh? ) Thanks for all the participation in this topic and don't worry, I won't be upset if 4x4 electrics aren't included as a new class. I can hardly afford to race one class but for those out there that are interested, I thought it might be neat to see them and like I said before, I see quite a bit of talk about them in the r/c mags. To add my 2 cents worth about the other topics, I don't want to drive to Moncton, NG or any other track to race any less than 3 qualifiers and a main. That format has to stay. About marshalling, I don't like to see non-racers marshall either, it's a liability to the hobby. Also about marshalling, if those of us who marshall multiple races, when we don't have to, sit it out, the marshalling situation would even be worse. Marshalling is part of racing, besides, it's the best seat in the house I also like the impound idea, race, impound, marshall then sit down...works for me! Hey guys, I just want to see the clean, quiet class of electrics survive, that's all. I'll be happy as a pig in poop when I get setup to run in the Electric Truck class with the masters...especially if Michel joins in! ( What an awesome class that will be in Moncton with Geoff, Michel and that other French guy who's name I just forgot ). IMHO When it comes right down to it, electric's are better for the planet...and our ears Cheerio, John |
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08-17-2005, 12:03 PM | #29 |
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Yes- we did have a day with 13 heats. My memory is that after 1 painful first round we combined some to get it down to 11. In either case, if we were using the structure of 8 cars per heat, it would have been closer to 8 heats.
I am using an example of 12 heats because I think it is where we will be in the next year. I did start a new thread on how do we keep on schedule. |
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08-17-2005, 12:24 PM | #30 |
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Me and Geoff on the same driver stand always end up in a mind game(he lost his quite a while back,and according to my orientation skills to try to get to a track,i am not far behind him) Running electric truck will be a hoot! there are some wicked drivers in that class,Geoff,Marc-Samuel,Roland, just to name a few.I have been on e-bay for the last day and a half to try to locate a descent chassis,i am getting close.(Hint, the name will not start with an A,lol!)During the winter i will slowly get the rest of the equipement.You gotta try to get that Associated truck going John,A good looking fella like you should be able to make a buck downtown Halifax on a Saturday night!!! LOL!
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