[davidmc36]

Originally Posted by Hughes500E

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I applaud you for wanting to do the right thing. I just don't want everyone thinking they must not use other brands etc.

It's not about what people may use in various situations that are not relevant to the questions I am asking.

If I am flying at my field with a MAAC card in my pocket, in light of the specific wording of MAP 2 and the fact that the old document that stated IC or FCC was OK has been removed, If I am using my FCC gear should I just tear up the MAAC card? Can a US visitor use his FCC radio at my field? If they are so illegal how to retailers import and sell them?

Originally Posted by Hughes500E

..too many MAAC members using all kinds of equipment to make the FCC/IC certification mandatory thus the MAP..

MAAC doesn't make it mandatory, IC does. MAAC just seems to be going out of their way to make sure we all know that.

[Eye Can Fly]

Interesting subject. I am like David, try to do things the right way. That said, IC hasn't made it easy to find out IF your equipment is on the list. Found a IC page ( https://sms-sgs.ic.gc.ca/equipmentSe...execution=e3s1 ) where I could enter just the IC certification #.

Discovered my Jeti DS-16 is indeed certified, yet when I enter my Spektrum DX-8 Cert #, nada. All my Jeti Rxs are buried deep in planes at the moment, but as they all use varying degrees of telemetry, I will run those #'s when the hoods are open the next time.

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?

[davidmc36]

I read of some Jeti units waiting for certs before ready for sale but don't remember the time frame, might have been a while ago.

Search page sucks.

It is certainly illegal to sell equipment that requires certs but has not rcvd them.

From document skybolt linked above:

"(2) No person shall manufacture, import, distribute,
lease, offer for sale or sell any radio apparatus, interference-
causing equipment or radio-sensitive equipment for
which a technical acceptance certificate is required under
this Act, otherwise than in accordance with such a certificate."

[HAL9KPCM]

That page is a nightmare. Ya, not a whole lot there on Futaba. I did find once the submission for the 18MZ, but for the life of me, I cannot find it again.

[MRK]

Originally Posted by Eye Can Fly

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?

There is a link to Radio Communication Act in post 3 of this thread. If you read Section 4 it would seem to be illegal to sell any radio apparatus for
which a technical acceptance certificate is required under this Act.

I've posted this before, here are the Company Numbers and Company Names used in the Radio Equipment List (REL) that I have noted so far:
6157A - Horizon Hobby (Spektrum, JR)
2914D - Futaba
3420A - Hitec
3514A - Airtonics
6994A - Nine Eagles
1372A - Hobby Shack
10491A - Esprit Model Inc. (US Jeti Importer)

An importer or distributor can have the radio apparatus certified.

I even checked my wireless mouse, it has an Industry Canada (IC) certification number on the label in the battery compartment.

[davidmc36]

Originally Posted by MRK

..
6157A - Horizon Hobby (Spektrum, JR)
2914D - Futaba
3420A - Hitec
3514A - Airtonics
6994A - Nine Eagles
1372A - Hobby Shack
10491A - Esprit Model Inc. (US Jeti Importer)

..

Also:

20961 - Graupner CO., Ltd

..but not all their stuff is there, no Tx's except the 4 channel pistol grip.

[Trumpet]

Originally Posted by Eye Can Fly

Interesting subject. I am like David, try to do things the right way. That said, IC hasn't made it easy to find out IF your equipment is on the list. Found a IC page ( https://sms-sgs.ic.gc.ca/equipmentSe...execution=e3s1 ) where I could enter just the IC certification #.

Discovered my Jeti DS-16 is indeed certified, yet when I enter my Spektrum DX-8 Cert #, nada. All my Jeti Rxs are buried deep in planes at the moment, but as they all use varying degrees of telemetry, I will run those #'s when the hoods are open the next time.

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?

At IC/ISED - Horizon's DX8 - 6157 A-AMTX11 is the certification number for this radio.

[stegl]

Can a US visitor use his FCC radio at my field?

MAAC doesn't make it mandatory, IC does. MAAC just seems to be going out of their way to make sure we all know that.[/QUOTE]

My take on this one, is that if a US visitor flies his FCC covered radio gear in Canada he is covered by his AMA insurance in case of the unforeseen accident/claim and the same for a Canadian resident going down to the US he is covered by his MAAC insurance when using IC/FCC equipment.

As for cost of getting FCC/IC approval in NA it costs and the off shore designers/builders do not want to do the approval as it would make the selling of their equipment more costly and maybe non competitive , price wise.

In NA ; the importer/distributor usually picks up the tab and has the equipment approved and stickers affixed.

[davidmc36]

Originally Posted by stegl

My take on this one, is
.

I get the same take in my mind. So I don't see any way around needing to turf all the stuff I have or insurance will be useless in light of MAAC pointing out how non-IC stuff is illegal. I mean it always has been, just it seemed to be not enforced nor was anybody really concerned about it.

Thought about looking at Futaba but I think it will be even more overpriced than Spektrum. Going to be an awful step backwards in telemetry from either FrSky or Graupner. DSM2 stuff can prob be had cheaper and it works fine and dandy where I fly.

Started to pick up a couple things to use with DM9 module on Horus so I guess I am already in midst of the switch. .......lol

[stegl]

Know what you are saying about Futaba vs Spektrum . Futaba makes some good radios
, receivers and servos . Looking at the whole picture one has to compare the dependability and cost of their radio equipment to the value of what they have in the air, I guess....

If it wasn't for telemetry I would have stuck with my Airtronics SD-10 with very good programming and their FHSS-3 receivers for range and dependability ; hands down , bar none. Even after being 9 years old in the running users are still finding and publishing programing that the designers didn't know was there.

About 2 weeks ago my thoughts on Spektrum products was again reinforced by the fact that a jet flyer had an issue with a nose gear servo and then from my understanding his elevator servo packed it in and quit... fortunately on the ground. Both were higher end HV servos with not a lot of time on them so failure was premature. Apparently the rest of the servos are going to be pulled.

Everyone at some point in time has to make that decision what they want to go with
and how much to pay. The old saying has some truth , in my mind " Pay me now or pay me later ". Continual replacement can end up costing what your quality equipment might be. Really, something to think on.