[tommy321]

I have a quick question about the 2010 Advanced Sequence that I want to clarify before the first contest.

So say I'm doing the "B" sequence found on page 2 of the PDF here:
http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/0/Do...0_Advanced.pdf

When I exit the spin maneuver 3, I have a choice, depending on which way I chose to spin.

1. I could push to inverted flying away from myself. At this point, maneuver 4 is a inwards rolling 3/4 circle with 3 rolls. Lets say that I choose to roll right and circle right. This is opposite what is indicated on the Aresti, however, the rules really only describe circles as either "rolls to the inside" or "rolls to the outside". In the scenario above, I'm doing a "roll to the inside" as prescribed by the Aresti, but I'm also going to be forced to do the rest of the sequence backwards (left hand maneuvers to the right and vice versa). Did I get a zero?

2. I could push inverted flying towards myself. In this case I could do a roll right and circle right. This would seem to match the Aresti, and the rest of the sequence could be flown exactly as drawn. I don't think this is a zero UNLESS the pilot busts through the flight line.

My main question is whether or not Number 1 is a zero. Intuition tells me that the pilot who does (1) above has zeroed everything following until he calls "Break" and resets. However, I'm not sure of what rule he has broken.

Anyways, I figured it might be useful to get a vote on this ahead of time.

Thoughts?

Cheers,

Tom

[Dave_ORCC]

Tom, if you were to fly the roller as described in your #1 scenario you would get a zero. You HAVEN'T flown the maneuver as written. While the direction of the circle isn't directly indicated it is however drawn so that you exit the maneuver up-wind. So, taking wind direction into account it DOES indicate which direction to do the circle. Subsequently, if you were to then continue the sequence you would zero everything after because you aren't flying the maneuvers as written with respect to wind direction.

That's my take on it, anyway. Not sure if that's the correct interpretation or not. Hopefully someone will chime in here.

[Rick Kroeze]

Dave is correct.

Intuition tells me that the pilot who does (1) above has zeroed everything following until he calls "Break" and resets.

That's fine but to be clear a pilot does not have to call a break. The judges must sort it out and continue scoring if the pilot gets back around to flying the sequence correctly without announcing anything. It's similar to omitting a figure. They may not realize the error. Judges must keep up and deduct but keep going accordingly.

All that said, if a pilot knows what's going on it is a good courtesy to announce the break and the intent to resume the sequence.

[Dave_ORCC]

That doesn't happen too often, thanks Rick!

So, Tom........ yes, you ARE going to have to learn to roll right

[tommy321]

Originally Posted by Dave_ORCC

So, Tom........ yes, you ARE going to have to learn to roll right

Nuh uh. I still have option 2 open to me.

Tom

[Dave_ORCC]

Originally Posted by tommy321

Nuh uh. I still have option 2 open to me.

Tom

Fair enough. That said, when you initiate your roller, inbound towards yourself, be prepared to fly the rest of the sequence from memory. Your caller and I will be hiding under my van

[Rick Kroeze]

Originally Posted by Dave_ORCC

Fair enough. That said, when you initiate your roller, inbound towards yourself, be prepared to fly the rest of the sequence from memory. Your caller and I will be hiding under my van

Now that's funny.

[LEE]

I would be under the same van
I've had on occasion been judging where the pilot rolls wrong direction and flies the rest of the sequence in the opposite direction. Of course they got all zeros from that point on, but after discussions, it seems to me that a good judge at a regular competition would let the pilot be aware after a few maneovers that they are flying the wrong way.
This usually happens to people in the lower classes who are flying early in the season, so why not help a struggling pilot out?

Lee

[scaleguy]

Originally Posted by LEE

I would be under the same van
I've had on occasion been judging where the pilot rolls wrong direction and flies the rest of the sequence in the opposite direction. Of course they got all zeros from that point on, but after discussions, it seems to me that a good judge at a regular competition would let the pilot be aware after a few maneovers that they are flying the wrong way.
This usually happens to people in the lower classes who are flying early in the season, so why not help a struggling pilot out?

Lee

Lee,

I would disagree. You are a JUDGE NOT the Caller or a Coach. If the pilot enters or exits the manouver wrong and does not make the cotrrection and continues to fly the rest of the sequences wrong it is his/her responsibility. It is unfair to the rest of the contestents for the Judges to coach a pilot during a flight other then to inform him or her of deadline infractions. Tough I know but only fair. (See why the BC guys didn't like my judging! ) FLAME suit "ON"!

[LEE]

Jim you are right but evil A judge should be indescriminate, impartial and fair in his assessment of a competitor's flying.
For begining (Basic) pilots out there, it is imperative that one practices their routine in both directions and that they have the proper manoevers figured out before a contest. The best way to see it done properly is on our very own Scale Aerobatics site at ;
www.scaleaerobatics.ca
or on the Flying Giants web site www.flyinggiants.com

Now if I happen to be judging some Basic pilot someday soon who does the wrong way thing I may drop a loud cough that sounds strangely like "wrongcoughdirectionhack"

Lee