[cf100]

The last thread MAAC / Transport Canada joint release https://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/showthread.php?t=303170 helped to clear up most of the jurisdiction issues on model aviation and UAV's.
However in the latest maac mag, Jan 2015, in the FAI column page 41, it would appear that the MAAC FAI rep states that MAAC gets it's "governing" status through the Aero Club of Canada, via the FAI.

I don't think this to be true, whether MAAC does or does not belong to the Aero Club of Canada and the FAI does not affect our joint partnership with Transport Canada on model aviation nor has MAAC membership in the Aero Club of Canada or FAI been mentioned in any of the Transport Canada documents posted on model aviation - UAV operations.

What the FAI rep fails to mention, are the costs of Aero Club membership, costs of FAI membership, the cost of the annual MAAC delegate to Paris, who pays for this and who gets to go to Paris.

[itizme]

The only thing that may remotely make this relevant is that it gives credibility to TC that MAAC is one of the worldwide recognized organizations in sport aviation. We ( MAAC membership ) are competitive in the world of sport aviation, no need to confuse the issue any further.

[MikeCam]

Originally Posted by itizme

The only thing that may remotely make this relevant is that it gives credibility to TC that MAAC is one of the worldwide recognized organizations in sport aviation. We ( MAAC membership ) are competitive in the world of sport aviation, no need to confuse the issue any further.

TC could care less about the FAI. No confusion at all!!!!

[bcsaltchucker]

MAAC has no authority over model aviation. It is a private club which supports its members and does not represent the other 99% of RC flyers. MAAC offers insurance and the rules that guarantee nsurance to their participating clubs. They also do political advocacy for RC flying.

Transport Canada, the governemnt's Civil Air Regulations are the only real authority. period.

[Dale Hunter]

Originally Posted by bcsaltchucker

MAAC has no authority over model aviation. It is a private club which supports its members and does not represent the other 99% of RC flyers. MAAC offers insurance and the rules that guarantee nsurance to their participating clubs. They also do political advocacy for RC flying.

Transport Canada, the governemnt's Civil Air Regulations are the only real authority. period.

Scott, very good explanation. Nice and clear, no grey interpretation.
-Dale-



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[Mike Sebastien]

Originally Posted by bcsaltchucker

MAAC has no authority over model aviation. It is a private club which supports its members and does not represent the other 99% of RC flyers. MAAC offers insurance and the rules that guarantee nsurance to their participating clubs. They also do political advocacy for RC flying.

Transport Canada, the governemnt's Civil Air Regulations are the only real authority. period.

Exactly

[Sharpy01]

Originally Posted by bcsaltchucker

MAAC has no authority over model aviation. It is a private club which supports its members and does not represent the other 99% of RC flyers. MAAC offers insurance and the rules that guarantee nsurance to their participating clubs. They also do political advocacy for RC flying.

Transport Canada, the governemnt's Civil Air Regulations are the only real authority. period.

............ If you pull out the part about not representing 99% of R/C flyers, the rest is pretty much on the money.

You may not Like it, but those that currently manage and make those Civil Air Regs believe that MAAC does represent all responsible flyers. Sorry dude, but that's politics.

.....FAI is a non-issue in those representations related to our Civilian Airspace.

[bcsaltchucker]

they can assume that MAAc represents all RC flyers - I never said they did not. I said MAAC has no authority over RC flying, when outside a MAAC field, more or less.

And, I feel MAAC does represent me, as I am a MAAC member. And the MAAC leadership has a good reputation and track record. But I also think it would be a big step backwards and even dangerous erosion of freedom to give such a organization de facto regulatory authority over all RC.

99% bieng non MAAC is a guess. Might be more like 99.9% of folks with an RC aircraft flown once in a while are non MAAC. I hear the sales of just amateur multirotor drones are topping 200,000 per month worldwide, and add tens of millions of micro copters and park flyers to that out there sitting in folks' basements

[Sharpy01]

Originally Posted by bcsaltchucker

they can assume that MAAc represents all RC flyers - I never said they did not. I said MAAC has no authority over RC flying, when outside a MAAC field, more or less.

And, I feel MAAC does represent me, as a MAAC member. And the MAAC leadership has a good reputation and track record. But I also feel MAAC membership has the potential to be insular and hostile to non members, plus have the ultimate authority over the leadership as is chosen by election. And you are probably right it is not 99% of RC flyer who are not members of MAAC, more like 99.99%, and mostly not very serious hobbyists. Heck I heard recent state of sales of amateur drones alone - 200,000 per month worldwide. The hardcore hobbyists like MAAC club members are a tiny rounding error in comparison to the number of people who have RC model aircraft of all types.

Not sure where you're hostility has it's roots and would not for a minute try and convince anyone that MAAC's model of governance is perfect. I also would expect your "drone" figures to get higher, which is precisely the reason "serious hobbyists" need MAAC at this juncture and why we need to separate ourselves from those who would be considered "less serious".

Personally, I don't consider those who would buy a "drone" simply for the purpose of being a camera platform aviation enthusiasts of any kind. They could care less about the wonder of flight, aviation history, the camaraderie or the respect it deserves. Those flyers will have more interest in their self-indulgence than responsibility and miss the high points of why we love this hobby............. which are all good reasons to separate ourselves from them.

[stegl]

Pretty much have to agree with the last statement.

Also a correction to Salt that MAAC is not a "private club" . It is a non profit organization that is open to anyone who wishes to join and who follows the whole program ( rules and bylaws to some) . Recommended but not required to join a rc club.

If it wasn't for the efforts of MAAC we wouldn't have the frequencies and freedoms we now enjoy .