[russ]

Is MAAC a insurance broker or an association advocating model aircraft flight?

[Scott Esplen]

Originally Posted by Pauld

I think I got the answer I was looking for. Basically, if you choose to go off field and fly whatever/wherever, you are not covered by MAAC and are responsible for your own insurance or other coverage. Of course, your actions may be viewed as questionable such as shown in the heli video above that Scott posted.

The main issue would be if one were to "opt out" of flying under MAAC rules and guidelines but still be operating from a MAAC sanctioned field which leads to my next question:

Scenario:

10 guys are flying at a MAAC sanctioned club field and are all MAAC members in good standing. A guy shows up with a model and is a MAAC member but decides to fly a model in a manner that is not MAAC approved such as FPV or firing projectiles from the model.

It is clear that this person is not covered by MAAC but does his operation of his model affect other modelers and the vailidity of thier MAAC insurance?

PaulD

I'm just seeing the start of FPV at our site,,,,,,,,Its unfortunate that a one in a million hypothetical worst case scenario will generate liability fears and a bunch of rules,,,,,or grey area LOL

[Midnight Heli]

Originally Posted by russ

Is MAAC a insurance broker or an association advocating model aircraft flight?

Found on the MAAC web site
We work with local and Federal levels of government to protect the rights, radio frequencies and flying fields of our members. We provide third party liability insurance for all of our members, provided that they fly according to our established safety protocols. Developing and publicizing comprehensive safety procedures is one of our highest priorities. A network of 360 individual clubs throughout Canada facilitates the activities. Whether you are a small child with an inexpensive and simple model, an adult with a complicated scale model or a retiree embarking on a new hobby
Our third party insurance coverage has a limit of $7,500,000.00 with a deducible to the member and club of $500.00. The coverage can be denied if MAAC protocols and rules are not followed. Your best option is always to fly safely with a chartered club and at sanctioned events.

And if you want to know more about the MAAC policy, by-laws, rules, safety Guideline etc. you can download and read this info at http://www.maac.ca/e_docs.php and click on ''Main MAAC documents'' also click on ''documents'' The rule book is found here http://www.maac.ca/home.php?pflg=e Rules or Rule Books can be found in the Committee section for your particular discipline.
Please ‘mouse over” “Committees” on the Main Menu then select your Committee from the drop down menu.

[JimMcIntyre]

Originally Posted by Pauld

...
Scenario:

10 guys are flying at a MAAC sanctioned club field and are all MAAC members in good standing. A guy shows up with a model and is a MAAC member but decides to fly a model in a manner that is not MAAC approved such as FPV or firing projectiles from the model.
...

PaulD

Not clear to me but, I'm not a lawyer.

If I were the CD at such an event, and someone told me they intended to fly "outside of MAAC rules", I'd ask them to kindly reconsider or consider leaving. Responsibility for any accident resulting from these activities will be decided by lawyers and you can guarantee the property owner and the event organizers will be asked to appear before the bench. Perhaps you should ask these people if they're ok with assuming this risk before assuming it's okay to "opt out of MAAC"?

Oh, and the other flyers? They could be implicated as well....

[Scott Esplen]

Originally Posted by Scott Esplen

Is this guy opting out of MAAC for a flight???


Was wondering why I had a negative prop, what it meant and had to look a little before I found how and what "props" its about,,,,,,I removed the vid.....it was put up to make a point and was only copied after seeing it in another part of these forums......Paul does have a valid questions and showing a very real situation that could hypothetically apply in a "opted-out" type scenario was my intention,,,,,I have to say, the less that video is played the better...

Now how do I get back to 0 hehe

[Guest]

Looking over the scenario that has been provided by Pauld and responsed to by FloatPilot, any reasonable lawyer can come up with the argument that the remaining fliers added and abetted the outrageous performance on the "opted-out" flyer by letting his (or her) continue in their activgities that were outside of the MAAC Safety Code. As Jim McIntyre responded, guilt can be assessed on all remaining members of the club if the claim is large enough and insurance coverage is not sufficiengt.

One club had the saw "everyone is a safety officer" and then never backed up when complaints were raised.

However, it now looks as if the "old saw" is a requirement for keeping fields and maintaining our insurability. If you see someone who is not keeping within the Safety Code or Field Rules, you have a duty to your club to bring the matter to the attention of the member and/or the club executive.

Inaction is not a defenxe any longer, sad to say.

[astrofler]

10 guys are flying at a MAAC sanctioned club field and are all MAAC members in good standing. A guy shows up with a model and is a MAAC member but decides to fly a model in a manner that is not MAAC approved such as FPV or firing projectiles from the model.

It is clear that this person is not covered by MAAC but does his operation of his model affect other modelers and the vailidity of thier MAAC insurance?

I think an argument could be easily made that no member is covered under such circumstances.

Since the MAAC safety guidelines require ALL flyers to be MAAC or AMA members, and having one person "opting out" by breaking the safety code, would that not have the field and everyone there operating outside the safety guidelines?

All other members there would also be "opting out" by allowing that person to fly and ignoring the safety guidelines, would they not?

[benzzz]

Originally Posted by Pauld

Scenario:

10 guys are flying at a MAAC sanctioned club field and are all MAAC members in good standing. A guy shows up with a model and is a MAAC member but decides to fly a model in a manner that is not MAAC approved such as FPV or firing projectiles from the model.

It is clear that this person is not covered by MAAC but does his operation of his model affect other modelers and the vailidity of thier MAAC insurance?

PaulD

Who says FPV is not approved.
It is to my understanding from the Newly appointed FPV Member of the Board for MACC that FPV is now recognized and is covered under MACC under certain rules, and was also stated in a conversation that if myself or anyone with permission to use the owners property that we are covered under MACC Insurance....
Just what I was told.

[Pauld]

Maybe more clearly stated is using FPV to pilot the aircraft in non line of sight....

PaulD

[DHansen]

Re: Can you "opt out" of MAAC?
Follow the agreed to law or don't. Talk to the local rep about the grey areas that you are unsure of. Be involved in real life not on virtual forums.