[Guest]

There appears to be maneuvering and agendas being initiated to create a split away from IMAC here is Canada. I really hope I am wrong.

I for one am dead set against it, we have to work together with everyone to resolve outstanding issues. In my opinion separating will serve no purpose but alienate our aerobatic community for the rest of the world.

Speak up and let your voice be heard, don't let others speak for you!

Ted

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I don't think anyone really wants to split from IMAC Ted, including me. I much prefer to have the same criteria on both sides of the border!

However in reality IMAC have made it clear that there will not be any changes to the current criteria until 2011. [See post # 60 in the RFA thread]

As I see it, that leaves us Canadians with two options:

1- Continue to use the same judging criteria, and continue to lose contests and fields to fly from. [Practice or contests]

2- Change the critera here in Canada, to fix the problem. [A # of opinions exist on how to do that]

The net result of the second option, is a split from IMAC, as any change in the criteria from the current IMAC rules, means our contests are no longer "IMAC" contests. IMACs RDs will not allow our "non-IMAC" contests to count in the regional standings. I know this for a fact.

Not an easy decision...

[Mike Sebastien]

There has always been a feeling that IMAC does not consider Canadians and in fact the rest of the world. They created the Affiliate program to deal with us but that has gone no where. WE have some unique issues and problems in Canada that should be solved by Canadians and not relying on Americans. In fact IMAC won't even include us in there regions and we are the next door neighbors!!!!

SA (Scale aerobatics) must take some leadership with this issue and start being proactive rather then reactive.

The world will not end if Scale Aerobatics in Canada went down a different path then IMAC. Maybe you would see IMAC and other countries actually follow our lead.

[Guest]

Mike

Not counting our contests is no good for those of us that want to qualify to fly in contests like the Tucson Shootout.

Ted

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Originally Posted by Ted5660

Mike

Not counting our contests is no good for those of us that want to qualify to fly in contests like the Tucson Shootout.

Ted

Had not thought of that Ted, and I understand your concern and sympathize with you and anyone else wanting to go to big events in the US like the Shootout.

However in the same breath, I cannot support the wants of a few, VS the needs of the many... Sorry.

[samsrc]

For those of you who feel that we should go on our own: I'm just curious, and I'm still having a hard time understanding what would we gain by seperating? I mean if someone could give me some good reasons as to why, then maybe I could get my head around it.

I've heard rumblings from people saying stuff like: What does IMAC do for us? etc...Well what I'm trying to understand and correct me if I'm wrong here (I could be missing something here) But what does an IMAC'r who lives south of the border, get more than an IMAC'r living north of the border. Does someone who fly's IMAC south of the border get more points when they win contests? better access to the IMAC site? different rules? better knowns?
What about CD's? Does a CD south of the border get fancier unknows than I do? extra money? pay less in dues? get better rules? what?

I'm just trying to understand what they get more than us, to warrant these comments I hear?

Sam

[stevedionne]

Hi Sam, you seem in good shape from what I read... wow

Steve

PS Please don't begin to speak about "seperation", I hear it all year long here in Quebec and I don't like it....We are stronger together guys!!

Originally Posted by samsrc

For those of you who feel that we should go on our own: I'm just curious, and I'm still having a hard time understanding what would we gain by seperating? I mean if someone could give me some good reasons as to why, then maybe I could get my head around it.

I've heard rumblings from people saying stuff like: What does IMAC do for us? etc...Well what I'm trying to understand and correct me if I'm wrong here (I could be missing something here) But what does an IMAC'r who lives south of the border, get more than an IMAC'r living north of the border. Does someone who fly's IMAC south of the border get more points when they win contests? better access to the IMAC site? different rules? better knowns?
What about CD's? Does a CD south of the border get fancier unknows than I do? extra money? pay less in dues? get better rules? what?

I'm just trying to understand what they get more than us, to warrant these comments I hear?

Sam

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Originally Posted by samsrc

For those of you who feel that we should go on our own: I'm just curious, and I'm still having a hard time understanding what would we gain by seperating? I mean if someone could give me some good reasons as to why, then maybe I could get my head around it.

I've heard rumblings from people saying stuff like: What does IMAC do for us? etc...Well what I'm trying to understand and correct me if I'm wrong here (I could be missing something here) But what does an IMAC'r who lives south of the border, get more than an IMAC'r living north of the border. Does someone who fly's IMAC south of the border get more points when they win contests? better access to the IMAC site? different rules? better knowns?
What about CD's? Does a CD south of the border get fancier unknows than I do? extra money? pay less in dues? get better rules? what?

I'm just trying to understand what they get more than us, to warrant these comments I hear?

Sam

Sam,

The one thing we Canadians need and are not getting, is adequate support / consideration / respect [whatever word best suits] when it comes down to crunch time within the IMAC / AMA rules process.

The IMAC BOD has the ability right now, to alter the rules with an URP to the AMA, to try to fix this problem for this season, and yet they have refused to do so. They used that very same process, to add the 45 degree uplines to the hammerheads, for this season, when it suited their needs...

To say it in plain English, [and I will probably regret saying this] our American friends who run IMAC, will never accept being told how to run their SIG under the AMA, from anyone else outside the USA.

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Mike

Since it appears that whether a local event is sanctioned or not then doesn't matter to the many according to you, please advise as CD of the Canadian NATS if it will be an IMAC sanctioned event.

Ted

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Originally Posted by Ted5660

Mike

Since it appears that whether a local event is sanctioned or not then doesn't matter to the many according to you, please advise as CD of the Canadian NATS if it will be an IMAC sanctioned event.

Ted

Ted and All,

The SA Nats in Ottawa this summer, is a MAAC sanctioned event. That is, the event is approved by the Ottawa Valley Zone Director, and as such, will use the rules and regulations that are approved by MAAC.