[Guest]

Originally Posted by JimMcIntyre

I'm sorry Chad, I think you're oversimplifying here.

Tell you what, you plan a Nats that meets the criteria set out in this thread (right location, accomodation and timing {accomodating F4C of course } ) and I'll hold my team trials there.... (IOW, absorb the impact of spreading my volunteers/judges etc. too thinly).

This isn't just about pattern after all...

Sigh, you are still missing the point.....

There is no team trials, its only the Nats......it just so happens that the winners end up being the team.......

This is not that complicated.

[Jabba]

Originally Posted by can773

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You dont host a team trials along with the Nats.......you pick the team from the results of the Nats....

Scale is different then Pattern...

FAI Scale - have different RULES say then stand off scale.

[JimMcIntyre]

No, I don't think I'm missing the point....

- What would be the point of holding a Team trials with excessive lead time prior to a World's?
- If the resources (mostly people and time) required to select a team are roughly equivalent to the resources on hand, how do you accomodate the other "national" classes?
- and many other logistics mostly related to geography, scheduling and resources.

We've already established that FAI rules are not National rules. Attempting to merge them is problematic, attempting to run them simultaneously while accomodating the rest of the world's schedule for all the various categories is an organizational nightmare.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Jabba

Scale is different then Pattern...

FAI Scale - have different RULES say then stand off scale.

We have 5 different classes in pattern, only 1 is FAI......run your stand-off scale class and run an FAI scale class.

World competitors will need to abide by FAI rules anyways........

I really dont get what is so hard about this.


ALL Worlds compeitors must follow FAI rules, therefore if you currently have a team trials there must be people in this country following FAI rules.....so you have an FAI class for those individuals at a Nats, and from that class you take the top 3 as the team. Its not rocket science guys, it just requires some open mindedness and clarity of thought.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by JimMcIntyre

- What would be the point of holding a Team trials with excessive lead time prior to a World's?

mmm, fundraising perhaps?

[RC_MAN]

I'm with CHAD looks simple to me!

[Morison]

Originally Posted by JimMcIntyre

No, I don't think I'm missing the point....
- What would be the point of holding a Team trials with excessive lead time prior to a World's?

1 year is NOT an excessive lead time. In that year the team can:
- raise funds and awareness of their efforts
- work on improving the quality of their models and their flying skills
- get together occasionally to work together as a TEAM
(since economics may prevent the 'regular' helpers from coming along)
- mentally prepare to take on the World
- prepare to be at the top of their game

Originally Posted by JimMcIntyre

We've already established that FAI rules are not National rules. Attempting to merge them is problematic, attempting to run them simultaneously while accomodating the rest of the world's schedule for all the various categories is an organizational nightmare.

Quite frankly, you're not trying to think outside of the box ... no pun intended
What chad is getting at is that at the nats (when you have the infrastructure and manpower in place) you add one more category, FAI, to be flown as a part of the regular competition. Just as you have stand-off, Expert and Team, you also have FAI. Conceivably I could enter standoff AND FAI if I wanted.

Chad, the problem comes (from a sustainibility and PR side) when the top 3 pilots in the nats event are not interested in going to the worlds! We had that with some of the teams that came to the F3J Champs - they were openly referred to as 'reserve' teams. But that's another issue.

The idea of using the Nats to select your W/Champs team is an EXTREMELY solid one, but it gets fought against every time it is raised.

[airframe]

Originally Posted by Morison

Chad, the problem comes (from a sustainibility and PR side) when the top 3 pilots in the nats event are not interested in going to the worlds! We had that with some of the teams that came to the F3J Champs - they were openly referred to as 'reserve' teams. But that's another issue.

If the top 3 pilots don't want to go you simply move down the list. Doesn't sound hard to me.

Mike Sebastien

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Morison

The idea of using the Nats to select your W/Champs team is an EXTREMELY solid one, but it gets fought against every time it is raised.

Ahhh yes, however victory will be mine one day!! It will start in pattern and I will slowly work my control through all disciplines

Actually I suspect that this will happen for the pattern team in 2006.....in fact a little birdie is telling me it will and it will happen in western Canada where all good ideas and solid foundations are born. :P :P :P

[Morison]

[quote="airframe"]

Originally Posted by Morison

If the top 3 pilots don't want to go you simply move down the list. Doesn't sound hard to me.

BUT, Mike, you are now no longer funding or sending the country's top pilots ... Spending association money to send the second best 3 pilots could be easier to question - particularly by teams made up of the top 3 in the country who are having to split that funding equally!

Chad, I applaud the Pattern Committee for heading in this direction ... it makes a ton of sense to me. However, don't count on it happening in the west if the Nats are in Southern Ontario!