[Richard Lyle Barlow]

I would, at this stage like to mention that John Kovats is one of a couple of people from the current insurance industry who have given me invaluable advice on insurance matters for some time.
John was asked by me to join the committee and his agreement to do so is gratefully acknowledged.
This is a win/win situation for all of MAAC to have a current expert on board. There is no place for politics in the work of this committee. What we need is the best possible coverage for our members, and getting and keeping that is the sole reason why the committee should exist.
John, I thank you again and look forward to working closely with you, making good use of your valuable expertise.
Richard Barlow
Insurance Chairman.

[Kevin McGrath]

And to be totally visible and since the middle zone AZM is past,John has agreed to be nominated for the insurance committee through the N Ont AZM next weekend ,which is totally legal in our constitution.
Its about time someone publicly thanked Richard for the job he has done with the insurance responsibility over the last year,which has been a thankless task at the best of times with much interference through the piece.
Correcting some comments on this site to the contrary, it was a board decision to vest the insurance responsibility with a member of the executive rather than a regular chairperson due to the importance and basic nature of this area,and I agree with Mr Sharpe that this is where the responsibility probably belongs.
Assuming Richard is successful in gaining the other additional member to John for the committee, that he mentioned above, and knowing the credentials of the individual involved ,I think that MAAC will have the strongest insurance group ever, and MAAC members will feel their interests are well served in this most important area.

[j-coles]

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1) the club did not enforce "no flying behind the flight line rules", don't be surprised if the claim is denied and personal liability to all club members surfaces.

2) The club didn't have a wings program or enforce wings rules and an accident occurs with a person without wings, the same may occur

3) The club had no "circuit flying" rules when more than one plane was in the air or had circuit rules and didn't enforce them because the "guys didn't like it and didn't follow them". If a serious accident occurs because of a maneuvor was made to avoid a mid air, don't be surprised if a claim is denied.

.[/quote]

im not claiming to be an expert , but i have known for years that as a sailplane pilot ,MAAC insurance does very little to cover me partly becuase sailplanes dont conform well to conventional practice ,for example ;; if the wind is at my back at the flight station,,do i walk out onto an active run way to luanch into the wind from the other side or do i luanch down wind??

there are many ,many questions that i have in this respect and im sure there are many unknown things to the average club member,,perhaps a great place to start would be to start a new thread addressing some of theses concerns

i have always been under the impression that if my name is on a clubs list and if it every gets real nasty,,i could be partly responsiable??

one story i always remember from my old hanggliding days was of members never paying club dues until near the end of the season to better there chances of not being as part of the membership until after most of the seasons flying was done . i dont know how much truth there was to it but more food for thought

j-coles

[Sharpy205]

Originally Posted by Richard Lyle Barlow

I would, at this stage like to mention that John Kovats is one of a couple of people from the current insurance industry who have given me invaluable advice on insurance matters for some time.
John was asked by me to join the committee and his agreement to do so is gratefully acknowledged.
This is a win/win situation for all of MAAC to have a current expert on board. There is no place for politics in the work of this committee. What we need is the best possible coverage for our members, and getting and keeping that is the sole reason why the committee should exist.
John, I thank you again and look forward to working closely with you, making good use of your valuable expertise.
Richard Barlow
Insurance Chairman.

This looks like good news Richard. Thanks John. The confidence of someone with current knowledge in the field is refreshing.

And, thank you Richard for your work on this one. Those within know the challenges, difficulties and personalities Richard would have had to deal with in taking this one on. No envy on this end.

Marc Sharpe

[Sharpy205]

Perhaps John can enlighten me on this one.

Recently, additions to MAAC's safety code contain undefined and vauge terms, plus references to specific heights while flying.

Specifically,

.....Not to intentionally fly over an "Active Public Thorougdfare"

And

...."3D Flying" below 30m must be done with no other aircraft in the air.

I've spouted off a number of times about what I see as some huge loopholes that any lawyer worth his salt would enjoy exploiting.

ie: an Active public Thoroughfare could be anything a member of the public happens to use... path, horse trail, road, river, lake etc

or

ie: debate, even amoungst 3D flyers as to what constitues 3D flight, not to mention the inherent problem of assigning a specific altitude and the impossibility to get accurate judgement of height from 5 members sitting in the same spot watching the same flight?

Whatcha think?

[JKovats]

I just got back from 4 days away looking at leaves in the far north. Had to stop in to see Andrew Coholic in Kirkland Lake to get some ca to fix my wifes glasses. Thanks Andrew.

I am not going to comment on your question. I may have an opinion, but I don't have an answer.

I think everyone should take the position that this is an "evolving" sport. Terminology, definitions, equipment etc.

I think you will see that MAAC will evolve with the times.

[Sharpy205]

Originally Posted by JKovats

I am not going to comment on your question. I may have an opinion, but I don't have an answer.

In escence, that does answer it.

[AJCoholic]

Originally Posted by JKovats

I just got back from 4 days away looking at leaves in the far north. Had to stop in to see Andrew Coholic in Kirkland Lake to get some ca to fix my wifes glasses. Thanks Andrew.

Well you know I have the largest CA collection in the "far North"...

It was nice meeting you and your wife. Stop by again some time..