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ronm · 09-05-2003, 12:01 PM

Andrew:
I think he was talking about the sudden stop when you forget to pull out of the spin, and hit the ground.!!

Ronm

Fodder · 09-05-2003, 12:04 PM

Yes, entering spins correctly can be tricky. I was just generalizing. At one of our FF, it was most spins in a minute. I didn't have a fast plane and decided to squeak out a couple of more spins. I got the spins, but also ran out of air. It was a fun plane. Hard to tell but, front of fuse was also snapped in half.

AJCoholic · 09-05-2003, 02:09 PM

pretty sure I saw that one before... OOPS!

It has happened to allof us I am sure. I put my Astrohog into the most beautifull, allmost completely flattened out spin 3 or 4 years ago. After spinning to 50 or 60 feet, I tried unsucessfully to get out... DOH! With my new Astrohog I dont try flat spins anymore

Allmost lost my AC-2 giant scaler (in my avatar) last summer, got a bit crazy and spun down again, too low for a safe recovery - by the time I stopped it and powered up to fly out, the plane was only 3 or 4 feet off the ground and the crops (canola) snatched the LG! The LG was badly bent but the plane was undamaged. What excitement!!

LEE · 09-05-2003, 03:11 PM

Yep spins are a true art, especially trying to stop them after a certain amount of turns

The best flat spins I ever saw were done by Hanno Prettner of old TOC days. You would swear he had a weight shifting inside of the fuse as the plane transitioned into a falling leaf! Of course with all the 3d stuff out there, one sees this all the time, but back then the first time I saw a video of it we were all totally psyched out by it!!

LEE · 09-05-2003, 03:24 PM

In judging spins at various pattern contests in the past, we looked for a rotation of the fuselage or rolling over of the wing before the nose dropped below the horizon line. If this happend it indicated a forced entry or probable snap entry into a spin, and as Andrew pointed out, this was an automatic zero. The nose has to fall below horizontal before starting rotation, and the forward airspeed should have dropped to zero. One must practice slowing a plane down and stall it where intended. This is more difficult than it sounds especially when you have strong winds or a high idle.
Practice makes perfect

Gary Maker · 09-05-2003, 04:26 PM

The trouble with me was somewhat similar. Getting into the spin wasn't the problem, getting out of it ... well after 6 or 7 hours of repairs to the Cap and I had it ready for the London IMAC but it sure intimidated the heck out of me worrying about getting my plane to survive the spin.

I purchased the book a few weeks ago and yes, it is easer said than done!

wingnut · 09-05-2003, 04:48 PM

I own a goldberg ultimate and i can flat spin that thing like nobodys buisness. I even think they are flatter then chip hydes at toc i am not kidding. The best flat spins i have seen where done by quiqui somenzini with the Yak man those suckers where flat

**scaleguy** · 09-05-2003, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wingnut

I own a goldberg ultimate and i can flat spin that thing like nobodys buisness. I even think they are flatter then chip hydes at toc i am not kidding. The best flat spins i have seen where done by quiqui somenzini with the Yak man those suckers where flat

Ok wingnut....
It's time to put your money where you mouth is!!! er that is fingers are I guess

. We better see you at the Flying Tigers IMAC Seminar in a couple of weeks and bring that Ultimate and...

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

**Frank Klenk** · 09-05-2003, 05:57 PM

My thought exactly Jim! Come on out Wingnut! Hey we can have a flat spin contest, you go first

Frank

**Frank Klenk** · 09-05-2003, 05:59 PM

And I always looked for the nose to drop before I spin, shows what I know. Hmm, more to learn. Flying wrong all these years.

Frank

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Fodder RCC Master Contributor I am: Scott Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ajax, ON Feedback: 0 / 0% Posts: 1,351 Total Props: 0	Yes, entering spins correctly can be tricky. I was just generalizing. At one of our FF, it was most spins in a minute. I didn't have a fast plane and decided to squeak out a couple of more spins. I got the spins, but also ran out of air. It was a fun plane. Hard to tell but, front of fuse was also snapped in half. __________________ I never crash...I land with style! Scott Ajax R/C Club
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AJCoholic RCC Supreme Contributor I am: Andrew Coholic Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Timmins, Northern Ontario Radio of choice: JR 12X, 28X Feedback: 47 / 100% Posts: 12,277 Total Props: 61	pretty sure I saw that one before... OOPS! It has happened to allof us I am sure. I put my Astrohog into the most beautifull, allmost completely flattened out spin 3 or 4 years ago. After spinning to 50 or 60 feet, I tried unsucessfully to get out... DOH! With my new Astrohog I dont try flat spins anymore Allmost lost my AC-2 giant scaler (in my avatar) last summer, got a bit crazy and spun down again, too low for a safe recovery - by the time I stopped it and powered up to fly out, the plane was only 3 or 4 feet off the ground and the crops (canola) snatched the LG! The LG was badly bent but the plane was undamaged. What excitement!! __________________ Andrew Coholic -MAAC #26287L 1/2A to giant scale, IMAC, SAM, R/C sport, turbine jets, Heli's... if its got a wing or two and an engine - I like it!
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LEE RCC Supreme Contributor I am: Lee P Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sudbury Feedback: 1 / 100% Posts: 2,921 Total Props: 9	SPINS Yep spins are a true art, especially trying to stop them after a certain amount of turns The best flat spins I ever saw were done by Hanno Prettner of old TOC days. You would swear he had a weight shifting inside of the fuse as the plane transitioned into a falling leaf! Of course with all the 3d stuff out there, one sees this all the time, but back then the first time I saw a video of it we were all totally psyched out by it!!
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LEE RCC Supreme Contributor I am: Lee P Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sudbury Feedback: 1 / 100% Posts: 2,921 Total Props: 9	spins In judging spins at various pattern contests in the past, we looked for a rotation of the fuselage or rolling over of the wing before the nose dropped below the horizon line. If this happend it indicated a forced entry or probable snap entry into a spin, and as Andrew pointed out, this was an automatic zero. The nose has to fall below horizontal before starting rotation, and the forward airspeed should have dropped to zero. One must practice slowing a plane down and stall it where intended. This is more difficult than it sounds especially when you have strong winds or a high idle. Practice makes perfect
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Gary Maker RCC Supreme Contributor I am: Gary M. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Stoney Creek, Ontario Radio of choice: Spektrum DX8 # of RCs: 9 Feedback: 34 / 100% Posts: 7,395 Total Props: 9	The trouble with me was somewhat similar. Getting into the spin wasn't the problem, getting out of it ... well after 6 or 7 hours of repairs to the Cap and I had it ready for the London IMAC but it sure intimidated the heck out of me worrying about getting my plane to survive the spin. I purchased the book a few weeks ago and yes, it is easer said than done! __________________ Time flies like an arrow - Fruit flys like a banana!GROUCHO MARKS Stoney Creek Hawks RC MAAC No. 43659
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wingnut RCC Contributor I am: wiliam m Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Flamborough,Ontario Feedback: 2 / 100% Posts: 264 Total Props: 1	I own a goldberg ultimate and i can flat spin that thing like nobodys buisness. I even think they are flatter then chip hydes at toc i am not kidding. The best flat spins i have seen where done by quiqui somenzini with the Yak man those suckers where flat
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