[4*60]

Seems we have a wings program but we have no program or guidelines for actual instruction. No short advice on how to approach instruction, how to teach in easy steps. etc. No formal program or guidelines for instructor training ??
No tips on buddy boxing,,,,full throttle jammed or adjusted while instructing different phases. Recommended flight length when beginning with a new student, etc. etc.

I ask because I know the Soaring Association of Canada had no formal approach 45+ years ago and when a program was implemented of train the trainer, instruction quality vastly improved.

Personally I believe there should be some guidelines for instructors and some effort to make instruction consistent across Canada. No??

[Dave Holmes]

I agree, guidelines (not rules!) would be most helpful. I know when I was learning to fly I had a variety of instructors, and each brought different things to the table. I learned some very good things from each of them, and have tried to keep them all in mind on the occasion I have been called upon to instruct. As a result I feel I have done a better job than if I had been exposed to only one mentor.

If many of these things were bundled together for aspiring instructors, all could do a better, more thorough job.

[stegl]

24 pages of Wings Program suggestions under MAAC documents. AND as Dave said every person that helps at instructing brings something different to the table. One thing I have found the Best club flyer does not always make the best instructor. It is usually the average person may instruct the best and then again what one person that is learning may learn better with certain people instructing. Everyone is different..... learning or instructing . The way I see it.

[reo]

I'm sure all of us have taught others how to fly over the years, (40 yrs for me) and to follow the published safety guidelines and field rules....why all of a sudden do we need 'guidelines' and the need for consistency across the country....???

[Mike Sebastien]

Originally Posted by reo

I'm sure all of us have taught others how to fly over the years, (40 yrs for me) and to follow the published safety guidelines and field rules....why all of a sudden do we need 'guidelines' and the need for consistency across the country....???

We need guidelines because it helps the instructor instruct. It will guide the instructor on want to teach the student and when.

I have picked up students so many times and they don't understand principals of flight, what the throttle does, what the elevator does and why you have to add elevator in a turn.

It's not about consistency, it's giving about the student the best chance to succeed in flying.

I have been a ski instructor, sailing instructor and aviation mechanics instructor and in each one I had a book that gave me teaching points and how to assess the student.

[reo]

[QUOTE=Mike Sebastien;3276330]We need guidelines because it helps the instructor instruct. It will guide the instructor on want to teach the student and when.

I have picked up students so many times and they don't understand principals of flight, what the throttle does, what the elevator does and why you have to add elevator in a turn.

It's not about consistency, it's giving about the student the best chance to succeed in flying.

I have been a ski instructor, sailing instructor and aviation mechanics instructor and in each one I had a book that gave me teaching points and how to assess the student.[/QUOTE

Mike, I was under the assumption for years now that the 'wings' program effectively set out the guidelines for instructors and students.....and all this time it hasn't been enough? If the new guy can pass a wings test he knows what elevator is for.....sheeesh, Mike

[Terry Gauvin]

Agreed, absolutely not necessary...

[Dave Holmes]

I have found in instructing that many things that are common sense to experienced flyers are totally outside the ken of a beginner. One of the most common I have run across is the concept that ailerons get mushy at low speed, i.e. on landing, so that is why you use rudder as it is in the prop wash and has more authority. When explained, it makes sense, but if the beginner knows squat about physics (as many do) the explanation is necessary.

There are many such tidbits that, if documented, and made available to instructors to pass on, will make for more successful flyers.

One other thing I always drum into my students is that I will teach them to fly , and safely. I will not (because I can't) teach them to fly pylon races, 3D or other advanced disciplines. It is beyond my ability, but I can make a decent sport flyer out of them, and we'll both have fun doing it.

[Mike Sebastien]

Originally Posted by Terry Gauvin

Agreed, absolutely not necessary...

You are right not necessary but maybe helpful to give instructors a idea what they should teach a student. It is up to the instructor weather he wants to use it.

As for the wings program, all it does is set out performance objectives for each level.

But as always this is just a conversation, nothing will change.

[Mike Sebastien]

[quote=reo;3276346][QUOTE=Mike Sebastien;3276330.[/QUOTE

Mike, I was under the assumption for years now that the 'wings' program effectively set out the guidelines for instructors and students.....and all this time it hasn't been enough? If the new guy can pass a wings test he knows what elevator is for.....sheeesh, Mike[/quote]

But maybe we could do better. Maac could ask someone to create a document that would help instructors instruct.