[Morison]

Originally Posted by MikeCam

Oh Keith why not publish the whole paragraph.

Because Ford's motivation is irrelevant.
Ken showed he makes things up when he said Ford wasn't involved in auto racing when he invented the Model T.

Originally Posted by MikeCam

So tell us Keith how much MAAC makes off the FAI. Where's all this promotion I keep hearing about with regards to the FAI.

I can't think of anyone who would have ever suggested that MAAC 'made money' off of the FAI. (Although at one point there was talk of ACC outsourcing their office management to MAAC for a fee.)
I also don't know what 'promotion' you keep hearing about.

[MikeCam]

His motive for entering the 1901 race against Alexander Winton (see separate release), was to promote his name and reputation, as a means of attracting investors for a new auto manufacturing company. For a time he also was in it to make money, and after Ford Motor Company was founded in 1903, he used racing successes to advertise the attributes of his production vehicles.

Ford's motivation is irrelevant, no it is the heart of this discussion. It shows that Ford did not race to better his product, like those who say the FAI contribute to Aeromodelling.

In bold type, Ford raced for recognition, money, and promotion (boy sure sounds a lot like the FAI types on here). You like to point out Ken made stuff up but in essence he is still right. He may of raced but he did not do it to better his car, which is what Ken was trying to get across before you started to bad mouth him and call him a fabricator.

"I also don't know what 'promotion' you keep hearing about."

Thanks for making my point Keith, your exactly right, FAI does nothing to promote MAAC and the hobby even if all the pro FAI gang keep saying it does.

Sorry but hobbyists join MAAC for insurance to play with their toys. Not because they watched the FAI competition on ESPN and thought it looked cool.

[Morison]

Originally Posted by MikeCam

Ford's motivation is irrelevant, no it is the heart of this discussion. It shows that Ford did not race to better his product, like those who say the FAI contribute to Aeromodelling.

The only point I was making was that Ford WAS involved in auto racing. The motivation really is irrelevant. However, the 'Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday' mentality that was at the heart of manufacturer interest in motorsports needs on product development and improvements to be successful. (Note: I'm currently also involved in motorsports marketing)

Originally Posted by MikeCam

[Ford] may of raced but he did not do it to better his car...

Maybe not - but he would have had to better his car to be successful in racing.

Originally Posted by MikeCam

Thanks for making my point Keith, your exactly right, FAI does nothing to promote MAAC and the hobby even if all the pro FAI gang keep saying it does.

The problem is many here are attributing a lot of attitudes and statements to the 'pro FAI gang' that I simply don't believe to be accurate of what is being said or what the attitude of the people really is.

[Cross Check]

Hi All,

I think Henry Ford's contribution of the 'assembly line' is used by ARF factories.
So it should be in the 'FAI contributions to Aeromodelling' thread...
( Or, not in the 'Non FAI contributions to Aeromodelling' thread !)


The Wright Brothers.
I will agree that anything before the FAI was formed, belongs in the 'Non FAI contributions to Aeromodelling' thread.
But, the Wright Brothers did inspire the formation of the FAI !

Quote:
" When the Wright Brothers first went to France, there were a lot of people who didn't believe their claim to have built a successful flying machine. Then they put on their demonstrations and established record after record, except there was no organization to keep track of aviation records. So that is why the Federation aeronautique internationale (FAI) was formed. It keeps track of records, oversees international world championship competition and represents the voice of worldwide aerosport enthusiasts to national governments. "

ref. page 34, Public Relations, Model Aviation Canada, May 2013, Vol 44 No.3

So anything Wrights and before, were 'Non FAI contributions to Aeromodelling'... (Lots of cool stuff back then...)

Once the 'Further/Faster/Higher' race for FAI records was on...
THAT, is when the bulk of aero development really took off... Literally !

You got one right cf100, keep trying !



Take care,
Have fun,
Dave'crosscheck'Fallowfield
Maac 6437
Unabashed Combat Team

[cf100]

MAAC FAI is like Duffy and Wallin, say anything, twist any statement to keep their MAAC funding alive despite overwhelming evidence that FAI does not contribute significantly to the hobby, there has to be a better use. Like the the senate, they seem to think they have a historical right to funding instead of having a check off on the membership form, the yearly donation totals suggest that.

[John O'Sullivan]

This thread like its other similar threads is like asking "what non Loblaws contributions have been made to low cost groceries".
There are many varied and widely sourced contributions to model flying.
Accept them for what they are worth and stop the childish arguments about who did what.
Before you post consider what YOU have contributed to aeromodelling.

[cf100]

Originally Posted by John O'Sullivan

This thread like its other similar threads is like asking "what non Loblaws contributions have been made to low cost groceries".
There are many varied and widely sourced contributions to model flying.
Accept them for what they are worth and stop the childish arguments about who did what.
Before you post consider what YOU have contributed to aeromodelling.

Agree with you John, that being said it be proper if the FAI fund was then open to all MAAC members and all their activities, though I suppose most MAAC members would continue to pay their own way as they have done in the past except for those 0.27% of MAAC members that do not.

[Cross Check]

Originally Posted by cf100

MAAC FAI is like Duffy and Wallin, say anything, twist any statement to keep their MAAC funding alive despite overwhelming evidence that FAI does not contribute significantly to the hobby, there has to be a better use. Like the the senate, they seem to think they have a historical right to funding instead of having a check off on the membership form, the yearly donation totals suggest that.

Hi Cf100,

#2 Right:
Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallin are 'Non FAI contributions to Aeromodelling'.

Still waiting on your 'PROOF' of your 'overwhelming evidence that FAI does not contribute significantly to the hobby' statement.

Wishy Washy statements are just that ! Why Hide?

We are waiting, Cf100, Tell us what you really believe in ! !!...

Take care,
Have fun,
Dave;crosscheck'Fallowfield
Maac 6437
Unabashed Combat Team

[Patch]

If I'm not mistaken, it was actually Thomas Edison that came up with the assembly line concept, he just happened to be good friends with Henry Ford

[VA6WGO]

Originally Posted by cf100

Agree with you John, that being said it be proper if the FAI fund was then open to all MAAC members and all their activities, though I suppose most MAAC members would continue to pay their own way as they have done in the past except for those 0.27% of MAAC members that do not.

Competition has drove the hobby to what it is today. Like it or not, most of the "Top Pilots" in the world, without exception, they all compete and FAI is recognized world wide. It is not a "Canadian thing".

And the FAI fund is open to ALL MAAC members. In the case of F3A, there are team trials where ANY person is welcome to participate and attempt to make it to the team.

It is that simple.

Will