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Old 04-05-2011, 10:05 AM   #1
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I'm not sure how to explain my feelings right now and I definitely do not want to offend anyone regarding electric powered aircraft VS fuel.
Since I started getting back into the hobby once again, I am seeing something that is frustrating to me. This is only my opinion! and I guess I'm talking more on a "value/pride" type of topic. (I'll get to that at the end!)

Planes-DF inparticular
Here's a case in point. You may have seen my posts about electric DF as I was thinking of converting a glow powered DF to electric. SO I have been researching the net these past few weeks thinking maybe there are some decent electric df out there and what I have found is this.
90% of the jets are small and made of some type of expanded foam of some sort....and are smaller unless you want to spend thousands on a BVM setup.
Like is there anyone out there that builds LARGER electric jets that don't break the bank? Maybe a finerglass fuselage with built up wings or something? I guess even the EP type....but LARGE. I'd even do a balsa kit if that was the case!

The smaller ones maybe be cost effective but that's it....they're smaller. Are there none of the Chinese manufacturers building larger ones? About the only one i saw for a 5" fan was the Red Arrow.....I think it was from Nitroplanes......???? And it stated glow but I'm sure could be converted. But then where do you get a 5" electric setup that's cost effective?
I see all types of smaller jets that come as a, plane, motor and fan combo. Thats great.. but they are small planes. Would be nice to see a George Miller T-38 size type combo in electric. Oh yeah!
Do a search on Ebay and tell me how many large electric DF stuff you find. Especially in a combo pack. (not that Ebay is the be-all-end-all mind you)
Hahaha...something else that really bothers me is this! Ok, so I watch a couple videos of a foam type jet buzzing along---ok it's kinda cool but nothing bugs me more than seeing a jet model with FIXED landing gear hanging out the bottom! ARGHHH! For some reason that really gets under my skin!
OK, I'm rambling now......

Literally TONS of small cheap stuff out there. Most of them look like toys to me! But with that being said, there seems to a lot more options to go larger in electric helicopters from overseas manufacturers. Do I buy 15 small cheap helicopters...or one beautiful large helicopter that I am proud to own and fly? Can i find a cost effective heli like that?
I realize there are lots of cost effective options out there which are a very good way to get started in the hobby but from what I see....everything is the 1 billiion 450 size T-rex and clones out there. HK seems to be cost effective solution as long as the machines perform ok I guess. Hopefully I'll find out myself soon...if the back ordered heli ever comes back in stock...."sigh" (But again...small heli)

Value and pride....
So I think...would I rather have an throw together cheap small foam ARF jet just to get me in the air? Or dig out my old Sport Shark, strip it down, refinish it, do all the necessary mods with blood sweat and tears to convert it to electric.... BUT be proud to see it take flight once again after all these years? Oh yeah, where do I find a "cost effective 5" fan solution" for this? Hmmmm......

Does any of this make any sense? I'm having trouble understanding it myself! LOL I've been awake for about 36 hours and the brain is in overload! LOL

Again...all of this is just stuff I was thinking about. Not meant offensive in any way.

Time for some sleep now....ZZZzzzZZZZzzzz
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:07 PM   #2
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Re: Hmm, Electric vs Fuel vs Value vs Pride

Hi Myles.

There was a time when you could say with confidence that Nitro was cheaper than electric. But lately, as the price of electrics keeps dropping, they are IMHO less expensive to operate. But that is mainstream helis and aircraft I am talking about.

With regards to large EDF jets, I don't think they have come down in price as much as the mainstream aircraft and heli's have. While it can be done, you are paying a premium for large EDF hardware. Guys that have large EDF's will tell you the price of getting their EDF's in the air is comparable to a turbine-powered jet. Maybe someday the price of large EDF's will come down but it doesn't look that way at the moment.

You are right about your observations about cost-effective heli's. I am blown away at the value for dollar you can get for 450 class clones. Definitely a good way to start. But bear in mind that when you want to get into the high end 3d flying, the clone helis don't cut it. (but by then you already leaned to fly and put the crash-phase behind you.
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Re: Hmm, Electric vs Fuel vs Value vs Pride

A few of my observations on this subject.
I'm thinking it has a bit to do with volume in sales as well. Tons of 450 class helis sold , crashed and on to the next phase. Tons of small EDF planes sold to newbies or seasoned fliers looking for something cheap & fun. How many top end machines are sold as compared to the "fun" level products? I think most of us have a main interest and use the cheap, small products to mix it up a bit.

Those who want to take things to a better or the leading edge of performance, no matter what the discipline, will have to shell out many dollars. It's always been that way in my 45 yrs in the hobby. The off shore products has only made that entry level investment easier to live with.

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Re: Hmm, Electric vs Fuel vs Value vs Pride

You guys have some good points there
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