[ronnieo]

I guess the results were obvious...


http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._204696-1.html

[dean2287]

Ya, I remember that video. I thought it was totally stupid the way the show was organized, just asking for trouble. The flight zones should have been far more separated.

[Max]

Interesting.
When this was a hot topic and after all that speculating (incuding some replies on another forum from the RC Pilot or maybe his spotter?) NO-ONE ever mentioned a defined flight area for the models, for what we now know as an "RC BOX"

The NTSB said the model was getting out of a vertical prop thrust hover when it strayed over the active runway and outside the RC box,

I wonder why this was never mentioned before..... (I think I now know why...C.Y.A!!!!)

Same with this little tidbit of info:

The report says the organizer of the event briefed the RC pilots before the show and warned them to stay east of the active runway

So now we know the RC pilots were told to fly in a defined RC box AND TOLD to stay east of the active runway.....

Of which neither was complied with....

[Ira d]

IMO the full scale was the most at fault because as I understand it he was in radio
contact with the airboss on the ground and had been told there was a model in
the air. The fullscale pilot then said he was going around but instead made a low
hi speed pass. I think one thing learned from this is that if you are going to fly a
model at a full scale air show you had better be sure the people running the show
or reputable folks. I have been to many airshows where models and full scales perform
with no problems at all. In this case however I think the full scale pilot and the
air boss got togather and threw the rc guy under the bus.

[flysrcs]

I think in all seriousness the full scale pilot uttered those famous last words " Honey, Watch this".
dave

[Max]

Originally Posted by Ira d

IMO the full scale was the most at fault because as I understand it he was in radio
contact with the airboss on the ground and had been told there was a model in
the air. The fullscale pilot then said he was going around but instead made a low
hi speed pass. I think one thing learned from this is that if you are going to fly a
model at a full scale air show you had better be sure the people running the show
or reputable folks. I have been to many airshows where models and full scales perform
with no problems at all. In this case however I think the full scale pilot and the
air boss got togather and threw the rc guy under the bus.

?? Really??? Are you sure you got your facts right? You know this for sure?

If so, I would suggest you call the NTSB and tell them these facts, since they must have overlooked it when they did their investigation and published the official NTSB report.

Regardless, there was a defined "Flyzone" for full size aircraft and one for models. It would make sense from a safety perspective to keep these zones separated with some sort of buffer. (which from the NTSB report, the organizers did )

The NTSB report stated the fact that there was 2 zones and models were not supposed to stray into the active runway. The pilot of the full size plane was in the zone prescribed to him. The model pilot was not. Plain and simple.

We drive our cars in the same fashion. A yellow line separates traffic going in one direction from the other. YOU MUST NEVER CROSS THAT LINE. A guy going in the other direction can be driving with one hand on the wheel, two hands on the wheel , or even with one finger up his nose, for all you care. If you cross the centerline and crash into a car coming the other way, you cant say that it's the other guys fault because he didn't have both hands on the wheel. You cross the line, its your fault.

[al_voisine]

Max

Big ++ on your post!!

Al

[Ira d]

Why would I call the NTSB I was not involved I am just going by what I read. Also I am
sure the NTSB has already heard from all parties involved.

[Guest]

Originally Posted by Ira d

IMO the full scale was the most at fault because as I understand it he was in radio
contact with the airboss on the ground and had been told there was a model in
the air. The fullscale pilot then said he was going around but instead made a low
hi speed pass. I think one thing learned from this is that if you are going to fly a
model at a full scale air show you had better be sure the people running the show
or reputable folks. I have been to many airshows where models and full scales perform
with no problems at all. In this case however I think the full scale pilot and the
air boss got togather and threw the rc guy under the bus.

I think you will find that any man carrying aircraft retains the right of way over a remotely piloted one. A prime example of why we in Canada have been limited flying at full size events.

[Ira d]

That would depend on your definition of right of way, But the fact is if a remote piloted
air craft has been cleared to be in a set air space and one with a board pilot enters
the air space with out clearence knowing the rc is there and colildes with it the pilot
could very well be in big trouble. It is kind of like when the police are running code
three the law says they have the right of way, yet they still have to stop at red
lights and only precede when safe, If they dont and there is a collison they could be
libel. The fact is there is no such thing as absolute allways in every case right of way.