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Old 07-25-2011, 09:33 PM   #1
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I'm just getting back into the RC world after a 20+ year absence. I'm going to start building kit planes again (not a scratch builder) and I wondered if good old ambroid is still in use. It was my main adhesive along with a little epoxy in critical areas. All the new CA's advertise their holding strength but I have never used CA to build with. I guess I need some guidance as to current glues and their uses in our hobby (I really liked my ambroid . All comments/advice appreciated. thx.

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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

have sigment here if it will work for you.
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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

Hi Bill,

Yes, Ambroid is still available, many hobby shops still carry it. I used to build with it as a kid/ teenager too but, I think you will find the new CA's much easier to work with and they will allow you to assemble parts much faster. My favorites are Zap and Mercury adhesives.

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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

Lately I find I get a bad headache if I use CA in any quantity, have to take it out to the garage if using more than a couple of drops.
Being retired, curing time is not quite as important as it once was, so I use Sigment quite a bit, as the last tube of Ambroid was really thin, and the ones I sampled at the LHS were the same. (Oh for the days when I could buy real Ambroid by the gallon from the local supplier) My other glues of choice are TiteBond lll from Lee Valley,"Superphatic" from Ontario Adhesives, and the usual epoxies.
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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

Yeah Ross, saw some ambroid in a shop in Calgary a few weeks ago. Never used it,
and always assumed it dried hard and brittle like plastic cement because it was in a
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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

The new Ambroid formula is not the same as old...

I use mostly Super Phatic for framing these days, still use epoxy for firewalls etc. and good ole yellow carpenter's glue when I need a thicker gap filling glue....

Welcome back, I think you'll find the technology has improved but, kits, really good ones, are tough to come by. ARF's are everywhere but there are still good plans to be had.
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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

Back when I was a kid in the early '70s (before a teen) I tried Ambroid. It was too slow for my patience. I did use the early CAs for my peanut planes. I built a Sterling Fledgeling when I was 12 but damned if I can remember what glues I used.

My first plane after returning to the hobby in the early '90s was the PT40. The instructions had you using liberal amounts of CA which I did. Now I am alergic so most of my building is carpenters glue. I do use epoxy and CA but to limit exposure I set up the assembly, apply the glue and leave for the evening.

As to building from kits they are few and far between now. ARFs rule in this era of want it now. Some are very good and all are cheaper to acquire then building a similar plane given the cost of the kit, adhesives, covering and hardware. Those of us who do build either have lots of material on hand, love to build, or want something a bit or very different. Frankly if you have built a kit or two in the past you could probably scratch from plans or find someone in your club to help put a kit together. There are also lots of kit cutters out there.

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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

I still use Ambroid, and I use it a lot! No other glue sands as nicely, and that means a lot when you are joining sheeting. The join lines will not show through, as Ambroid sands as the same rate as balsa. CA can leave hard lines that will show through the final finish. I do use CA some times, but mostly I use Elmer's yellow wood glue for basic building. It's super cheap, and also sands well. And you get time to make sure your parts are in proper alignment.
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Thanks for the input everyone. I still have two 25 year old unbuilt kits in the attic - Coverite's "Black Baron Special" and a Midwest 'Beercat Sport Bipe Trainer" and it looks like I'll still be able to get all the ambroid I'll need. I think I'm also going to try Sigment. When I built Goldberg's Eaglet and Eagle 63 and other kits back in the early 80's I never thought of using carpenters glue - white or yellow - so I'm going to try that also. The only thing I'm sure of about the CA's is that they are expensive. If I was only assembling ARFs I would probably welcome the new glues but when you start with a big box of balsa and a roll of wax paper adhesive costs add up. I retired last winter so a fast assembly speed is not high on my list of model requirements. Thanks again guys. As I read the real life input from forum members it sure brings back memories - good and bad -.
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Re: 21st century adhesives vs.....?

My vote goes mainly with SuperPhatic from Ontario Adhesives, man, I love that stuff for just about everything. Along with my bottle of Weldbond for odd things.
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