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Old 08-06-2012, 09:31 PM   #1
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When I was first asked about providing short kits to RC Canada members, I asked an RC Canada moderator about the legality of doing so. I was told that my provision of kits at near cost was acceptable, without requiring paying for an authorized vendor status. However, a review has decided that I am technically in violation of RC Canada Rules. Given that I have little profit margin, i.e. cutting 4 short kits and selling essentially covers the cost of one short kit for myself, I cannot justify paying for vendor status, and having to probably at least double the cost to members for the kits. It is far more economical for me to cease with all short kits, and also respect the rules of this site. While I regret this ruling, I still greatly enjoy the discussions, so will abide by RC Canada's ruling. I'll endeavor to send this message personally as well, individually to everyone who's expressed an interest in kits. I hope people will continue to explore building scale aircraft from plans, it's very challenging to be sure, but well worth the effort!
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:21 PM   #2
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But I got your addy on file Dave ..............................
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:54 AM   #3
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Hmm, that's unfortunate.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:47 AM   #5
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Really unfortunate.
Perhaps there could be some modifications made to seller fee's in a case like this that would allow you to continue without draining the bank account.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:13 AM   #6
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Couldn't people just email you privately for the kits?

You could make a kit for yourself with 'lots of spare parts'

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I think this is one case where the rules are wrong. Dave is/was providing a great service to the members here on RCC. I personally have bought a kit from Dave and it was actually cheaper than originally quoted when it was time to pay up. Not to hold back here, but I would prefer you (RCC) pick on the people that are REALLY taking advantage of your members. Dave, I hope that one day RCC comes back to you with their tail between their legs.

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I second that one Scott, Dave is not making much money on these kits & I have got a couple from him & can attest to that.
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Private enterprise can still be carried on privately; use e-mail instead of this open forum and no one will be "offended"
I agree with the previous posters, this activity was not a commercial enterprise or a large scale operation (pun intended)
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Thanks all for the support! I do see their (RCC) point, rules are rules, and it's their forum, they make the rules. I do agree that there are people on here that I'm certain are running a full scale business, and selling without being vendors, or they have some huge hoards of RC stuff!! The whole intent of this enterprise, was a cost sharing, so that we could all get giant scale kits at a reasonable price, and then be able to share on here the building of the aircraft, and pool knowledge and resources to help one another. The Ziroli P-38 short kits for example, sell normally in the $400 range for a laser cut short kit. I can't justify that, nor can a lot of people, and that's just the short kit! I sold them at $100. That had to cover the plywood (fairly inexpensive thankfully) the balsa (the most expensive part of doing the kits!), all my shop materials, bandsaw blades, scrollsaw blades, sandpaper, electricity, etc. I could never, ever make any money doing this, and that was never the point. If someone sold reasonably priced kits, I'd buy them. I have all the Top Flite kits, some Balsa USA, even some old Pica kits. But spending a grand say, on a Mick Reeves Hurricane, was totally out of my price range. By doing the short kits of the VA Hurricane, I essentially got my short kit free, scrounged a good used Zenaoh 26 for $100, scratchbuilding the canopy, cowl, radiators, etc, and with those savings, can afford the huge $$ for the retracts.

RC Canada reacted on a complaint from a buyer claiming he's paid, but not recevied his kit. While I have 100% proof of delivery, and no payment for a month now, they have to investigate, and can't be taking sides until they get all the facts. I'm assuming he also complained that I wasn't an authorized vendor, so they gave notice. I've mentioned back to RC Canada that I had sought, and was given approval for this, but for now, their initial decision was to issue a warning, and insist I cease advertising. I do hope they change their minds, but I must abide by their rulings in the meantime. This is a great forum for builders to connect, share ideas, questions, not to mention searching for hard to find kits, engines, etc, so I'm not going anywhere, and have to play by their rules. If anyone wishes more information, feel free to PM with your questions/thoughts, and I'll reply, don't want any mudslinging on an open forum! Thanks again for your support, and hopefully we can find a way ahead.
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