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Old 11-24-2008, 09:25 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by thrash metal View Post
as track owners mac and c-low have brought up a very important point .

pre paying your registrtion fees is something glorcs should look at doing for the coming season. i agree 100% that we should have to pre pay our fees before hand that way the track owners can get a definate number of entires .

this way they arent stuck with extra trophies, t shirts and what not.

having the racers pre pay their fees also prevents the long line ups of guys waiting until they arrive at the track to pay . pre paying your fees gives the track owners a better idea of the total number of racers who will actually be committed to showing up to the race imo.

i think you would see less racers pulling out of a race at the last minute if they would have to pre pay their fees.
I think that you make a good point kevin, but people need to be able to back out of the races if need be. I know sometimes at the last minute I just simply cannot attend the race. As much as a like racing RC cars it is something that I do if everything else in life falls into place accordingly. Not everyone can guarantee they will make the races. Trophies are really not that expensive when you are buying large amount, honestly a track could be stiffed for anywhere from 3 to 9 trophies depending on how the mains fluctuate. This really isnt that large of a loss in the scheme of how big the events are. I think some tracks see GLORCS racing as a great way to make money not support a great series.

Mac, I love your races man. I am totally down for changing it up but if you are in the GLORCS series things should be the same across the board. I think that your race as a standalone race is great, you have more than enough pull without the GLORCS series to do whatever you like. I know I will support the Spruce wood Race GLORCS or no GLORCS
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:14 AM   #42
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You guy`s have made some great point`s. I think not putting in the two different classes would be a big mistake, as one of you brought up Nascar, Indycar, etc, if you look at those series the all have different level`s of racing. Those mentioned are the Expert classes, the you have Indy light`s, Bush series ( i still call it that ) and so on, those would be our Sportsman classes. Look at the NHL and all the other sport`s, Pro level and the rest to follow. For a newbie coming into our great hobby, if he see`s that he can join and race against fellow racer`s of his skill level or close to it he will not be as intimidated. I my self went to the T-Burg race this past spring and said wow these guy`s are good, if i go out there i`m just going to get in the way. At the last Hardcore run i talked to a new guy and i told him about the T-Burg race and he said no way he`s not good enough yet, well there`s one guy we have lost because he got intimidated by those of us running that day. From what i saw of his driving he was just as good as me ( witch is not saying much ).Different classes he would be right in there along with all the other`s that left already because of this problem.

Ok my brain hurt`s, i got to go now

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Old 11-24-2008, 11:57 AM   #43
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Maybe we should just give out trophies for for 1st 2nd 3rd in A,B,C of Buggy and Truggy and "A" an possibly "B" in Monster truck. That way it can easily remain consistent from track to track, also track owners would not be stuck with extra trophies. This could work really well if there are expert and sportsman classes.
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:10 PM   #44
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re pre paying your registration fees.

derek you are right that sometimes people are unable to attend at race as something comes up as the last minute but many times guys register for a race and then have no intention of showing up thus taking up spots in races where the number of entries was capped.

remember the number of guys on the waiting list for buggy and truggy classes for the tillsonburg race ? matt had encouraged guys to pre pay their fees but up until the last day before the race less than half had pre paid .

lets hope that glorcs can come up with some kind of plan to make it easier for the tracks to gauge the actual number of racers who will be coming to the race.

maybe pre pay your fees for the race but if you are unable to make it for some reason then they could just refund your fees. perhaps this will make things easier for the track owners. c-low, mac, matt and joe what do you guys think about pre paying registation fees for the races?
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:23 PM   #45
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well i think glorcs has lots to read here and hopefully make it a more enjoyable moment for everyone and i express the word everyone, i still think longer run times for most classes
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:30 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by KingCamber View Post
I think some tracks see GLORCS racing as a great way to make money not support a great series.
I agree with Derek. I am not directing this to any one facility , but I feel that if you agree to host an even on behalf of GLORCS (Sanctioning Body), you need to adhere to the rules they have laid out. Otherwise, it dilutes thier brand and in time, it will mean nothing to host a sanctioned GLORCS event.

Could you imagine someone who was hosting an AMA MX race or a any other form of racing to call thier own shots on race day. Most race series have developed thier reputation by being consistent for a long period of time, which has developed thier reputation amongst the participants as a equal playing field to compeet at. Also, I feel this equality will attract more attention by prospective sponsors as it shows the race series directors have integrity.

Bottom line, if participants are paying premium dollars to enter a race, they should be provided with premium services by way of adhering to pre determined;
  • Rules
  • Deliverables (Port-o-poties, Trophies etc)

To the point of pre paid entries, the weather factor really throws a wrench in this. Not many people are going to invest $50.00 no refundable dollars to sit in the rain for "FUN". It's a real drag to be rained out, and most people will avoid going to the race if the weather forecast looks un favorable. Yes this sucks, but it is the reality of the situation. Yes it is unfortunate for the track that gets the rained out weekend, but life goes on.

Even though I have done this in the past, I feel walk on entries should be eliminated, even if they are pre paid, pre registered or whatever comes to mind other than 4 really unfortunate qualifiers where they didnt get in a single lap.

Walk-ons may be OK in a Club race format, but for a weekend event such as GLORCS races, it is unfair to;
  • Participants they will take bumps away from,
  • Participants who have invested $$ to race the whole weekend

Time to eat - my 2 cents.
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:56 PM   #47
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what!!!!! i've been to races where it cost $75 for one class and only the top 3 in the B & C and all the A main got hardware.. the only way you will get any track to do that is to make it mandatory that there is a deadline for everyone to make full non-refundable payment. mac will tell you the same thing as a track owner..... he knows what its like to get stuck with hardware and shirts for guys that don't show.
I certainly wasnt trying to pick on FTR Chuck ... and was reluctant to "go there" with this thread but did so for 2 reasons

1. GLORCS needs uniformity in many areas, trophies being one and certainly prepaying is something that I have no problem with and something that should be looked at to protect the tracks from loses

2. with that being said, track owners need to look at Racers as Consumers and not make the mistake the "Big 3" auto makers have made ... we are not stupid and we have choices ... if I spend $120 on gas, $250 on hotels, $50+ to race,$100 on meals etc etc and finish second in an A MAIN and walk away with nothing I cant help but feel cheated ... especially when you look around you and see the support the race got even with poor weather and no prepayments
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:44 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by KingCamber View Post

I feel as if I just finished my 500 word essay on GLORCS
...I give you an A+

Very well said!
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Originally Posted by thrash metal View Post
maybe pre pay your fees for the race but if you are unable to make it for some reason then they could just refund your fees. perhaps this will make things easier for the track owners. c-low, mac, matt and joe what do you guys think about pre paying registation fees for the races?
if your gonna give everyone hardware..... it will have to be nonrefundable!!

the tracks need to have a entry count for each class for hardware and place the order at least 2 weeks before the race and not to mention make sure there is enough food and drink ordered as well
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To move forward and gain some constant ground I feel this thread needs to be broken into 5 or 6 threads where each topic can be discussed.

Note to Nathan - I get your point about keeping in consistent from track to track, however your example of AMA SX is a bad example. You have 3 different organizations running it with the AMA, Clear Channell and the FIM for the SX Race here in Toronto. Even Daytona is not recognized by one of the federations. You see some races run during the day, some at night, some in arenas, some outside, differnet entry fees, some allow more riders in and some do not. Look at the retro night with Anheim 2. Look at this summer where they had a night race for the Motocross series. (not SX but you get the point)

Change is a fact of life and pushes us to do better. When it comes to rules, safety, point series, format then I agree 100% I know for a fact that GLORCS is looking at all these points very carefully, however as we have seen in this forum already there are so many different views and only a handful of the over 100 Glorcs races have chimmed in.

Derek - I appreciate that you will come to my race GLORCS or not and feel it may be better as a stand alone race. You may be right, then I can do my NEW and improved drop start gate. Try my quals and mains same day for Truggy on Sat and quals and Mains on Sunday for Buggy. I would also like to run double mains just like Motocross to award consistency! However I was at the original meeting where GLORCS was born and feel a sense of pride what it has grown into. So at this point I really wnat to be part of it and if that means abiding by the rules I am good with it! I just would like to see some of what has been discussed here massaged a bit!!
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