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Old 02-16-2004, 06:56 PM   #1
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Hi Guys,
I sent this out to a few guys in regular email and I found the responses so acute that I thought we should discuss this here in an open forum! The following is the same email I sent to the Jet guys on my personal email list:

We are having a MB Zone meeting tomorrow (Tuesday Feb 17, 2004) to discuss the MAAC AGM Resolutions and Recommendations. If you have received your MAAC Magazine (Feb 2004) on page 23 near the upper right side there are two Recommendations (#45 & #46) being made pertaining to the operations of pilots of turbine aircraft. While for all intents and purposes these two appear the same, they are quite different. The bold black text is the direct quote from the MAAC Magazine:

#45 coming from the Alberta Zone A :
That the MAAC executive, with the intent to adopt , an "American" style of "turbine" waiver system.

#46 coming from the South West Zone M :
That anyone flying turbine jets must have been certified to do so by qualified experts.

As far as I am personally concerned, MAAC would be a few years premature in adopting a pilot qualification system. However; I would like all of you to give me your thoughts on this situation. There are several logistic problems associated with this sort of pilot qualification system such as where the "experts" are located and what piloting needs to be demonstrated to pass qualification.
Should we see what develops with the Transport Canada meetings before acting? Do we need pilot qualifications, aircraft qualifications or both? Has anyone ever seen a jet that should have been glued to the ground for safety reasons? Has anyone actually stepped in and discussed the airworthiness of such a plane with its owner? In other words are we capable of policing ourselves on an informal basis rather than a legislated basis?

The AMA has had a significant amount of grief with its "waiver" system and has recently (effective March 1, 2004) completely revamped its system, removing some regulations and adding others, generally making the system more agreeable! Given that MAAC has about 7% of the membership that the AMA enjoys, and there are presently about 780 AMA turbine waiver holders, we could expect to have about 50 MAAC waiver holders? I have no actual numbers for Canadian turbine pilots, but my personal sense is that we number about that 50 level, across the same east-west expanse as the AMA oversees. I am guesstimating that it would take almost half of that number to administer the qualification program including the paperwork and the actual qualifications across the country.

So there you have my perspective, please adivse me of yours...

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Old 02-16-2004, 07:24 PM   #2
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Len, you know I am against it. Look at the horrible mess the USA's AMA system has made...

Definitely NOT the way to go IMO....
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Old 02-16-2004, 08:24 PM   #3
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I would need a definition of who is a qualified expert. Also If I sign off a person and he/she crashes am I then liable?
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Old 02-16-2004, 08:24 PM   #4
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Why fix what aint broke?

What is the motivation behind discussion of any changes and who exactly is suggesting change....? The U.S. system is not ideal anyway and really not necessary here in Canada IMHO.
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Hi Peter

Do you know, or can you find out, who from your Zone proposed this? Not trying to target anyone here, but I just want to know out of whose left field this came from.

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Source of the Motions

Hi Marty

I've sent an e-mail off to the two respective Zone Directors asking for clarification of the motions and thr reasons behind them. Hopefully I'll hear back soon.

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Old 02-16-2004, 09:05 PM   #7
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Len, I would like to see the folks that have made these proposals to stand up and let us know their reasons for doing so.

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Are these proposals coming from someone who actually knows the logistics of turbines? What is the basis for making these proposals? Are there or have there been problems or any kind of serious incidents that would warrent the need to make drastic changes to the governing of turbines in Canada? How are turbines preceived to be seriously more dangerious than any number of powered aircraft capable of high speed and heavy weight. Why is it felt necessary to put turbine pilots in a special catigory as opposed to all pilots who fly Radio controlled aircraft, when even small aircraft are possibly capable of causing property damage or serious injury?

Perhaps if we got the answers to questions like these we could understand the reasons for even considering "special" concern aimed at turbine powered aircraft and the pilots of such.

In the real world of aviation, everyone who flys an aircraft must be liscensed by Transport Canada. Yes different qualifications and restrictions do apply depending on the catagory of aircraft but all must be certified.

As it stands I am personally against these proposals.

I would hope that before such proposals were put into "Law" that they will be seriously discussed first and formost as to whether there is an actual need for them and then standards set if need be in a reasonable and just fashion.
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From what I understand the Alberta " recommendation" came from an individual / group that has no experience whatsoever with turbines. Perhaps Jeremy can chime in here. I think he was at the meeting?

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I agree with all of the above, proposing changes to the rules just because it was done somewhere else does nothing to improve the safety and awareness of Jet flying.
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