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Old 02-23-2004, 07:06 AM   #11
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Have you seen this photo?

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Thunderbird EJECT!
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Old 02-23-2004, 07:44 AM   #12
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Nice try but hey no-one said it has to be a mirror image just to be fake.It is simply another picture rotated twice and overlayed in the original picture.You guys are funny..............!
I used to do digital imaging for a living. Much of what I did was image compositing (still do my fair share of it actually) and and while faking a photo like this is not all that hard, faking it well can be pretty time consuming.

In this one the first thing I see is the size difference between the two planes. If someone was going to fake this one they would either start with a mirror of one of the planes (which would be the same size as the original) or they would overlay the second plane from a different photo and most likely have to resize it anyway. Why would someone go to the trouble of compositing in one of the planes and then get something as simple as the size of it screwed up, messing up the illusion?

Second is distance. If I was going to try to convince somone that they where flying one directly over top of the other, I would offset the distance between them by a few feet, not a few inches. Same dramatic effect, far more believable.

The highlights are correct on both planes but the shadows (and the midtones for that matter) on the bottom aren't if the second plane is supposed to be directly over it. Again, why go to the trouble of getting all the other lighting right only to screw up something as simple as shadowing.

If it where faked by someone who missed some very basic thing like size and shadows, from my experience there would be evidence of other amature mistakes like misplaced pixels from free cropping, poor colour matching, and smudgy pixel cloning. There aren't any!

Now given that these guys frequently fly in this formation offset from each other (which would account for the relative size difference, the lighting issues and the distance thing). And that a telephoto lense will tend to "flatten" the depth of magnified objects particularely on a backdrop with nothing else for your eye to reference, logic would tell me that it was just a very well timed (or lucky) shot.

Sorry. The only tricks in this on are being done by the pilots!

Cool picture though!

Speaking of compositing images (I didn't do these, a friend sent them to me)
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If you don't have time to do it right this time, how are you going to have time to do it again?
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Old 02-23-2004, 09:16 AM   #13
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It's the real thing - part of the Thunderbirds regular airshow. (Thunderbird 5 has its number upside down on the starboard side).

Another, photo but with a little more separationů

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"Simplicate and add lightness"
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Old 02-24-2004, 12:50 PM   #14
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With digital camera's timing becomes a little less critical.
It costs you the same for 1 or 100 photographs.

Just set the camera to multi shot and hold down the button.

Delete the bad shots at your leisure.
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