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Old 12-04-2015, 03:50 PM   #1
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Recently I have been getting my "feet wet" flying "Electric" Pattern. A relatively inexpensive way to get started in this "new to me" electric pattern stuff was to get a Vanquish from Extreme Flight.

I have the older version of a Himax motor, 21x14 Falcon CF prop, Castle Creation ESC all powered with F3A Unlimited 5100ma 10s LiPo packs. These items have turned out to be a good combination for this airplane.

I didn't expect that much from this airframe but after flying it for a while and making some adjustments to setup it is now flying very well. Some adjustments I made were moving the C of G forward by moving the battery just about as far forward as it will go. I put in .7 degree of positive incidence in the wing.

With these adjustments it practically became a new airplane, very much for the better I might add. In addition I have just added a T Canalizer, with this addition the rudder is now more effective making knife edge loops and rolling loops quite easy to perform.

The T Canalizer was custom made by a friend of mine and are not commercially available.
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Old 12-04-2015, 04:08 PM   #2
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Re: Vanquish with T Canalizer

I am courious. How did you decide to put more positive incidence in the wing?
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I am curious. How did you decide to put more positive incidence in the wing?
A forward C of G will generally dictate the need for positive wing incidence. The amount required can only be determined by flight testing but since I was flying with people who had extensive experience (including that of Andrew Jeski) flying this airplane I went with their advise.
No sense trying to re-invent the wheel, their advise turned out to be correct!
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Re: Vanquish with T Canalizer

I noticed that the canalizer on other planes is much larger. Is this a hit and miss test to see the optimal size? Thinking of the Vanquish and adding a canalizer to it for the reasons you posted.
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Re: Vanquish with T Canalizer

Very interesting modifications, Ivan.

Just curious to know what the all-up weight of that vanquish is?

The idea of electric pattern is very appealing to me (I am migrating all my planes to electric; I dont have any electric pattern plane at the moment)

Also- what sort of flying time are you getting?
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Re: Vanquish with T Canalizer

I used to fly pattern in the eighties and though my first love is IMAC I am intrigued by the electric pattern evolution. Going to give it a go this summer. Being totally ignorant of electric systems, this will be a fun learning experience.
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Very interesting modifications, Ivan.

Just curious to know what the all-up weight of that vanquish is?

The idea of electric pattern is very appealing to me (I am migrating all my planes to electric; I dont have any electric pattern plane at the moment)

Also- what sort of flying time are you getting?
I don't have good scales here so I don't know the weight of this plane. Actually I would like to know my self so I am going to try to have it weighed and report it here.

I am using F3A Unlimited batteries 10s 5100ma and easily flying the Masters pattern plus a couple of additional maneuvers. I estimate that 8 min. is close to the limit but it will depend some on motor/prop combo used as well as style of flying.
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I noticed that the Canalizer on other planes is much larger. Is this a hit and miss test to see the optimal size? Thinking of the Vanquish and adding a Canalizer to it for the reasons you posted.
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At first I thought the T-Canalizing thing was a gimmick but now I have had a chance to fly several airplanes both with and without a T-Can I feel that I can say without hesitation that it improves the authority of the tail control surfaces especially Rudder.

As for the size of the T-can, does the rudder authority increase with a larger T-can I can not say for sure. What I can say is that the rudder authority on my BJ Craft Invitation is phenomenal. It has a much larger T-Can than my Vanquish but it also has a HUGE fuselage so there are other factors at work here. It will do about as tight a knife edge loop as an elevator loop.
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Re: Vanquish with T Canalizer

I will probably be ordering a Vanquish and will add a canalizer but have a few questions. What is the general guideline for a tcan position and incidence?
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