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Old 04-21-2004, 02:07 PM   #1
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This is reposted (with apologies to Jason) as he saw fit to lock the previous one! I hopefully have removed anything that could be remotely considered inflammatory from my comments, (including a response to the "grow up" comment) and left only factual comments with requests for answers.
Usetobechair wrote:
I have been following this mess for some time, I have even offered an explanation as to why some things are different in Canada. So here it is, if you don't like the rules of a particular contest, don't come. The bottom line is bring the proper aircraft , according to the contest rules, or stay home.

By the way your protest will go no where. The majority of the committee supports the chairs and the rules. Just so you know Safety rules take effect immediately not the following year. Sorry for you luck, it is time to grow up, follow the sanctioned event rules or stay home.
Respectfully Mr "Used to be chair", the rules are very straightforward but the event being held in Oakville is NOT following the 2004 aircraft qualification rules. It is being run by the rules that were approved at the AGM for 2005 implementation. So pilots showing up with Il2s, Fulmars and A17-As ARE bringing "proper aircraft" for this year, despite the following comment from the event CD (Dave Fallowfield)
As CD, I must decide which planes get to fly. The first thing in the rules is the objective: "To recreate the excitement of W.W.II era FIGHTER combat in an enjoyable, safe, 1/12th scale competition that will be interesting for spectators and challenging for the contestants."
-the Battle(a day Bomber), the Northrop(never saw action) and the Il-2(a flying tank) will not fly at the Onslaught.
Please, for your own peace of mind and understanding, read the following MAAC scale rules as they are currently in place in regard to acceptable aircraft. (Copied from the MAAC scale combat site today)
3. Model Aircraft Requirements

3.1 The model must be a 1/12 scale replica of a Pursuit, Fighter or Attack aircraft produced or in service between 1935 and 1955. For the purpose of this contest, an aircraft shall be considered a Pursuit, Fighter or Attack aircraft if its missions routinely involved, or its designer intended any of the following:

a) interception of enemy aircraft
b) high speed ground or sea attack
c) dog fighting
d) long and short range escort

The aircraft must have been originally designed to have onboard guns installed. Aircraft that had guns mounted for defensive purposes only shall not qualify as Pursuit, Fighter or Attack aircraft.
There is no limitation right now to single seat fighters that flew between 1935 and 1945, which is what I understand the 2005 rules will be.

Many people (including the president of the RCCA) have posted that the three planes I have mentioned meet these rules, but we do recognise that they do not meet them next year. That is the critical difference. So we have a year to decide if we want to build aircraft that meet the new rules. So be it, we can handle that.

We also understand the mid-air rule is in place for 2004, we disagreed with it but it was approved. Done deal, dead issue.

So what do we have to do here? Show up with currently legal aircraft at the event and then file a protest when we are not allowed to fly? That appears to be our only recourse at present.

And you are telling me that a protest will go no-where when the aircraft in question meet the rules and the basis for the protest is 100% legitimate!! That really does not reflect well on the processes that are in place that are supposed to preserve the integrity of the rules.

It appears that MAAC is knowingly and consciously sanctioning an event that violates their own existing rules. Surely some-one up there realises this is plain wrong wrong wrong!

This also appears to be a direct contradiction of your statement that "The majority of the committee supports the chairs and the rules". If the committee supported the rules actually in force, this would not be an issue and the Oakville CD would have been told to follow them.

That is the bottom line! We respect the rules in place and will abide by the ones that apply at the time. We expect the event CD to do the same. If that happens then this discussion becomes irrelevant.

Submitted respectfully for serious and thorough consideration. If I am wrong, please identify my misunderstanding.

Thank you
Keith J
Secretary-Radio Control Club of Detroit
RCCA member #622
AMA# 717601
Ex-MAAC (Oshawa)
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Old 04-21-2004, 02:30 PM   #2
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It would seem to me that this issue is a MAAC issue and must go through the Commitee and Zone directors.Jason's closing of the last post on this issue basically told you that.Please go chat with those folks but don't do it here.YOU KNOW THE RULES FOR THIS SITE. NOW GO!!!

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As much as I wish this could lead to a positive and constructive conversation, it has been proven time and again it won't.

Please stop posting about combat/MAAC rules.

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