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Old 09-29-2004, 01:59 PM   #41
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I should have know better than to bring the controversial subject of scale speed.

Best dissertation I've read can be found here;

Anyone care to address scale sound?
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Old 09-29-2004, 02:18 PM   #42
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Anyone care to address scale sound?
I'm pretty sure that scale sound, and scale Mach # would fall into the same catagory.
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Old 09-29-2004, 02:42 PM   #43
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In order for a scale pylon speed................they'd have to run 1/3 throttle to look scale.....those demos we saw in Kitchener this year were frighteningly fast..........looked to me about 200mph in the straights and 100 mph in the tight 50 foot arc they turned at. Watching the Reno ( full scale) races on ESPN recently....... I'd say it was nowhere near scale at Kitchener Scale would probably load up them Nelson motors with tuned pipes so much, they'd choke at scale speed, I'll bet.
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Old 09-29-2004, 04:53 PM   #44
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Demonstrates pylon turns in a scale like fashion.
This maneuver is judged for scale like impression, speed and smoothness of flight
especially in the entry and recovery from the high banking pylon turns. It is not judged for accuracy of turns about the 'pylons' even if pylons happen to be there for other purposes.
Errors: Model does not fly straight and level during the designated straight legs of the maneuver.
Model does not make a pass parallel to the runway.
Model gains or loses excessive altitude in turns.
I could not have described it better myself. The recipe for winning races. straight, smooth and fast.

.....those demos we saw in Kitchener this year were frighteningly fast..........looked to me about 200mph in the straights and 100 mph in the tight 50 foot arc they turned at.
200 mph? I wish.

If, in the turns, I lost half my straightaway speed I would be guaranteed to lose every Pylon Race I ever entered. As much as we like to brag about speed the reality is this. Those models at Kitchener were flying at between 150-160mph. We balance, trim and fly them in an attempt to not lose any speed anywhere on the course. We did not fly as smooth as we would like. We where trying to stay away from the crowd line on one side and avoid the corn on the other.

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Originally Posted by JimMcIntyre
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....would someone have to dig up video footage if available to possibly see how it flew?
Fodder, I have several hundred hours of video of various WW1 (and even earlier) aircraft flying if you'd like to see some examples.
There are also allot of anectodal accounts from Great War pilots about how the planes flew. "Flying Fury" by James McCudden, VC and "An air fighter's scrapbook" by Taffy Jones being two good examples (mixed in are examples of drunken squadron rugby games and Paris debauches to keep things interesting hehe).

But the designs of the actual aircraft, and engines, give alot of clues as well. The prevalence of gravity feed fuel tanks (for instance) gives the model pilot a good idea of how well Great War planes performed inverted hehe.
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