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Old 11-12-2004, 08:52 AM   #21
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personally those look like a decent size set of plans to me but it is mostly about what you can fit into the car, truck, trailer.....etc. that would definitely be one impressive winter project to take on....:tu:

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Old 11-12-2004, 03:43 PM   #22
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Re: Hooo hummmmm

Originally Posted by TLyttle
I have always thought that if a model takes as much time, cash, and effort to build than a full-size aircraft (including Ultralight), then it has passed by the normal definition of a model. I have far more respect for a guy that can build and fly a Pistachio scale (8" span) rubber model than some guy that dumps tons of cash into some behemoth that would knock a locomotive off its tracks if "control was lost".
By who's standard? I know some people who think I'm foolish for spending $3 or 400.00 on a model plane that can be flying one minute and possibley crash the next....a waste of time and money! IS IT?

If a person loves the hobby and has the time and money (and remember, it is his money ) and it gives him a sense of accomplishment and is a big part of the joy in his/her life, then why the hell not!

If you personally think its foolish then thats your choice, don't do it. But why come on this forem and say you have little respect for someone who is perhaps fulfilling his dream to build a big beautiful model and then the joy of his life taking it out to the field and flying it, because he dumped huge sums of money on it?? And so what if it costs what you could build a full size ultralight for? Don't tell me you haven't spent money on this hobby that you might have been able to buy many other things for. Again that your choice and your business alone.

Sorry but your comment really urked me. Whether its a huge hulking model or a .40 sized sport sunday flyer....... IF it loses control it could hurt someone. Thats IF!!! If you doze off in your car and crash into another car it could kill someone.......etc etc etc etc etc.

I think these kind of comments and opinions are better kept to themselves. Let each of us enjoy this hobby in our own way!
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:42 PM   #23
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Well said Gary, exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't tone it down enough.
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:34 PM   #24
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Oooppps didn't mean to " Open a can of Poo Poo " I've built many small models, the last model I built was a 36" WS turbo beav on floats with a .15... I just thought I would build a big one this year....
And money is proportional in any thing you do.... The guy that says $200.00 is way to much to spend on a model, will then go out and buy a $70 000 motor home or whatever without batting an eye.....
If it makes you happy ( and 1/6 will make me happy ) and you get satisfaction from it, then by all means do it....

Plus Terrys a good guy ( an old fart mind you ) but a good guy...
I remember him from his days here in Victoria.... Always coming into Royal Oak hobbies and Yapping about something .....
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:59 PM   #25
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Old fart??? Yup...

Gee, everyone else is stating their opinions in these threads, I think I have the same right even if it doesn't follow the main direction of opinion.

Having fought (yapped?) about the FACT that large models destroyed a number of flying sites in the area (Victoria in particular) forms the opinion in my mind that some of the modelling activities have more to do with ego than accomplishment. If you have the money AND the proper facilities available to you, sure, go for it: in the boating community is is called' "one-foot-itis", in motor homes it is "Mine is Bigger Than Yours". I, PERSONALLY, think that flaunting crap like that is a pure waste of money, earned or not. I see a lot of these guys with debts bigger than some 3rd-world countries, and I envy them not a bit.

I have always had a peanut kit in my possession, simply to deflate these egos: "Here, build this, get 45sec out of it, and I will then believe in your modelling skills". Seldom any takers...

Go for it, guys, ya don't hurt a bit; so far I AM allowed to have an opinion.
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Old 11-13-2004, 07:03 AM   #26
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What is the largest model you have built and flown?
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Old 11-13-2004, 09:25 AM   #27
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Bigger most always = more cash

My philosophy is never fly something worth more money than you can easily replace.

This way I fly the hell out of my models (some have close to 2000 flights in two years) and if they crash I dont care, because I know I can go out tomorrow and buy another to replace it

Its like gambling....dont put more on the table than you can afford to lose
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Old 11-13-2004, 10:21 AM   #28
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I really like big models --- however, somewhere out there is a practical limit because these things always crash. At present we enjoy substantial freedom to build & play with our toys, but really big is also potentially really dangerous, so more practical questions might be "How big will the regulators let us go?" or "how big is so big that it attracts unwanted attention from regulators?", or more importantly, "How big is too big to be safe?"

I don't know the answers to any of those questions. Risk also changes with technology in addition to size -- it would have been absolutely foolhardy to build a giant model controlled by the old AM radios, & using non-proportional escapement control technology. At the same time, the big beautifull high-tech B-52 that crashed this summer weighed in excess of 300 lbs & carried a lot of fuel -- it burned for quite a while after an extremely violent crash.

I worry that someone other than ourselves might end up deciding for us.
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Old 11-13-2004, 11:36 AM   #29
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Bigger planes

Ok. So we start on the "bigger is more dangerous" garbage again Most of the people who fly big gas planes have a lot of experience under their belts and go to great lengths to make their planes redundantly redundant not just for safety but to ensure it goes back in the van in one piece How many people have been killed worldwide in the last 5 years by large rc planes? Now ask the same question about ATVs or snow machines
The point is we take extra precautions with larger planes (at least everywhere I've been) So go ahead and build whatever you want, but take the time to make it as safe as you can, and respect the rules that were made for everyone's safety.

BTW Planes the size of the B52 need special permission to fly and are an extreme rarity in this country.
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Old 11-13-2004, 11:37 AM   #30
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Maximum model size is controlled by the National associtations(MAAC and AMA) in the US and Canada both of whom liase regularly with their federal governments on the subject.
Control in Europe is even more strict and involves inspectors.

The big plane big risk assumption doesnt hold up under scrutiny.
The main factors involved in a rather clean safety record for the big ones is that they represent a very small proportion of all models being flown.
Too,by the time an individual feels compelled to build a big model he usually has developed the building and flying and maintainance skills to allow him to do so safely and the higher cost is a factor too.
It is not surprising therefore that the last five fatalities in the world and the one serious accident in Canada,all involved .40 and .60 trainer type models or helicopters.
I find large models much easier to fly than small ones and they are much more realistic in the air and at this time I am almost totally switched over to large designs.
I have done my share of flying from .049 up and may do so again...........Im almost surely going to fly a glider next summer for example......
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