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Old 09-21-2016, 11:33 AM   #1
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I was thinking of a reply to this thread as it is partly related but really a topic of its own.

http://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/showthread.php?t=297529

Recently was prompted to take a look at MAAC Documents and noticed a big change in the Policy with MAP 2 spelling out requirement of all transmitting equipment to be IC Ceritfied. Previous documents said IC or FCC was good in MAAC's eyes.

Now we all know they are technically illegal but nobody will come hunting you down, there would have to be a complaint/interference issue for IC to give a hoot.

Reason this is related to linked post above is the reciprocal agreement with US simply states they must use frequencies approved in Canada.

Questions:

1. Can US visitors with FCC only radios their gear?

2. Do US visitors additionally have to comply with MAP 2 (and by default Industry Canada)?

3. How rotted am I that to have valid MAAC Insurance for next season I will have to switch the whole stable over to something overpriced or underfeatured even though what I have now has been approved by a sanctioning standard that is so exactly the same that it will even be accepted by submitting the other country's test documents.

4. How do retailers advertise and sell FCC only equipment?
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:55 PM   #2
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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/PDF/R-2.pdf

Go to section 4 of this document.

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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/PDF/R-2.pdf

Go to section 4 of this document.
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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

And your point is?
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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Mike here from Kenora, not sure this is the right spot to ask the question but it appears you guys are into rules, I have been looking to purchase a FJ 3 drone of RCC to do period checks on beaver dams ($150,000.00 damage from a burst dam this summer)and bridge inspection for the City of Kenora. When I put it forward to our Engineering department they agreed it would be great. But our guy that looks after the GIS mapping and related stuff Google Searched Drone Licencing requirements..............not good. Appears private Drones are pretty well unregulated, but being the City we need to have licences from Transport Canada, these words made the engineers put there heads in the ground and say nooooo, has anybody out there gone this route, is it cumbersome, do you need to file flight plans before every flight. Guess I could read through all of the rules, (puts me to sleep) guess I'm looking for the Coles Notes Version of the requirements.
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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

If I may chime in... maybe contact Mark Betuzzi , MAAC Spectrum chairman as he has been dealing with IC and the acceptance of FCC ( with an approval number on the transmitters and telemetry receivers) into Canada but so far IC hasn't come on line with an agreement in principle .

This last year I came across an article in one of the US forums on radio control and they showed exactly how the FCC documents their approvals. Every circuit board and component is photographed in high definition so no cheating by manufacturer or aftermarket users making changes can invalidate the FCC number. In other words if a hard wired component is changed on an RF circuit board ; not permitted.

My understanding is; the MAAC spectrum committee has been trying to get ( in our applications ) IC to approve the use of FCC approved equipment for use in Canada.

At one time it was legal to buy or own non IC equipment but not to use it but looks like that has changed.

Would be very interesting to read the comments of retailers as to their concept of
selling non IC approved radio equipment. Apparently non telemetry or non transmitting receivers don't have to have FCC or IC approval numbers.

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...to get ( in our applications ) IC to approve the use of FCC approved equipment for use in Canada...
The way I read the documents on IC is that they have provision for accepting testing data that has already been done (no need to start testing all over again) providing it has been done at an appropriate facility. I can't see any FCC approved items falling short on that account.

I'm guessing that would require an application on the manufacturers part including associated fees.

It can't be that hard to pull off. Even aftermarket commercial aircraft parts don't need specific approval for use in Canada. If they are made/repaired/overhauled to acceptable standards, they are acceptable.

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Would be very interesting to read the comments of retailers as to their concept of
selling non IC approved radio equipment.
Wouldn't it now........

For now I'm going to have to take a wait and see approach. I don't plan on any flying until the equipment status changes, IC changes its rules, or I ditch it all and start over again.

Any bets on which happens first? Hint: it's the one that will cost me the most.
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Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Insurance coverage is not affected. It is simply MAAC stating the facts. There are no examples of unapproved equipment being any less reliable than approved. I assure you, if there was, MAAC would implement a change to protect the members.

That said, if there was a serious accident, it may come down to unapproved equipment which could complicate protection for the individual at fault.

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Insurance coverage is not affected.......it may come down to unapproved equipment which could complicate protection..
I'm not sure which side of the fence you are on.

If MAAC states clearly they are on the side of IC and you don't follow the "Community based set of rules" then............
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There's no doubt it is in our best interest to use proper approved equipment.
There is however too many MAAC members using all kinds of equipment
to make the FCC/IC certification mandatory thus the MAP. You have to
consider the risk. Would I use an Orange RX in a turbine jet, no. In a foamy on my own property, I would consider it yes. The hobby is very diverse these days, lots of variables.
I applaud you for wanting to do the right thing. I just don't want everyone thinking they must not use other brands etc. It may work for them in the environment they are in.
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