FCC IC and Insurance - Page 2 - RCCanada - Canada Radio Controlled Hobby Forum
RCCanada - Canada's Radio Control Hobby Forum
MAAC Model Aeronautics Association of Canada discussion area.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-24-2016, 07:25 PM   #11
davidmc36
Level 3 Supporter
★ Site Supporter ★
 
davidmc36's Avatar
 
I am: David C
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Morewood, ON
# of RCs: 25

Feedback: 77 / 100%
Posts: 3,301
Total Props: 46
Re: FCC IC and Insurance


       Remove this ad - become a site supporter!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughes500E View Post
....
I applaud you for wanting to do the right thing. I just don't want everyone thinking they must not use other brands etc.
It's not about what people may use in various situations that are not relevant to the questions I am asking.

If I am flying at my field with a MAAC card in my pocket, in light of the specific wording of MAP 2 and the fact that the old document that stated IC or FCC was OK has been removed, If I am using my FCC gear should I just tear up the MAAC card? Can a US visitor use his FCC radio at my field? If they are so illegal how to retailers import and sell them?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughes500E View Post
..too many MAAC members using all kinds of equipment to make the FCC/IC certification mandatory thus the MAP..
MAAC doesn't make it mandatory, IC does. MAAC just seems to be going out of their way to make sure we all know that.
__________________
No Bounce-No Play
The one who dies with the most toys wins!
Electric flying is pretty much seeing how close to a dead short you can run without setting it on fire.
34453
davidmc36 is offline   Quick reply to this message.

Sponsored Links - Subscribe to remove this ad.
Old 09-24-2016, 08:37 PM   #12
Eye Can Fly
RCC Pro Contributor
 
I am: Brent S
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Richlea, Sk.
Radio of choice:
Jeti DS-16
# of RCs: 10

Feedback: 6 / 100%
Posts: 1,598
Total Props: 11
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Interesting subject. I am like David, try to do things the right way. That said, IC hasn't made it easy to find out IF your equipment is on the list. Found a IC page ( https://sms-sgs.ic.gc.ca/equipmentSe...execution=e3s1 ) where I could enter just the IC certification #.

Discovered my Jeti DS-16 is indeed certified, yet when I enter my Spektrum DX-8 Cert #, nada. All my Jeti Rxs are buried deep in planes at the moment, but as they all use varying degrees of telemetry, I will run those #'s when the hoods are open the next time.

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?
Eye Can Fly is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 09-24-2016, 10:52 PM   #13
davidmc36
Level 3 Supporter
★ Site Supporter ★
 
davidmc36's Avatar
 
I am: David C
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Morewood, ON
# of RCs: 25

Feedback: 77 / 100%
Posts: 3,301
Total Props: 46
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

I read of some Jeti units waiting for certs before ready for sale but don't remember the time frame, might have been a while ago.

Search page sucks.

It is certainly illegal to sell equipment that requires certs but has not rcvd them.

From document skybolt linked above:

"(2) No person shall manufacture, import, distribute,
lease, offer for sale or sell any radio apparatus, interference-
causing equipment or radio-sensitive equipment for
which a technical acceptance certificate is required under
this Act, otherwise than in accordance with such a certificate."
__________________
No Bounce-No Play
The one who dies with the most toys wins!
Electric flying is pretty much seeing how close to a dead short you can run without setting it on fire.
34453
davidmc36 is offline   Quick reply to this message.
 
Old 09-24-2016, 11:07 PM   #14
HAL9KPCM
Level 3 Supporter
★ Site Supporter ★
 
HAL9KPCM's Avatar
 
I am: Dave Z
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Radio of choice:
Futaba 18MZ
# of RCs: 6

Feedback: 6 / 100%
Posts: 1,482
Total Props: 20
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

That page is a nightmare. Ya, not a whole lot there on Futaba. I did find once the submission for the 18MZ, but for the life of me, I cannot find it again.
__________________
Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights will make an airplane.

My Heli: Futaba 18MZ 2x(JR GSR260Z Sports FBL, Zenoah G26H, Futaba CGY750 Gyro, Futaba BLS-351 cyclic, BLS-251 tail, Futaba BLS-451 Throttle. Gryphon voltage regulator).
HAL9KPCM is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 09-25-2016, 01:31 AM   #15
MRK
RCC Junior Contributor
 
MRK's Avatar
 
I am: Michael K
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario

Feedback: 1 / 100%
Posts: 186
Total Props: 0
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye Can Fly View Post

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?
There is a link to Radio Communication Act in post 3 of this thread. If you read Section 4 it would seem to be illegal to sell any radio apparatus for
which a technical acceptance certificate is required under this Act.

I've posted this before, here are the Company Numbers and Company Names used in the Radio Equipment List (REL) that I have noted so far:
6157A - Horizon Hobby (Spektrum, JR)
2914D - Futaba
3420A - Hitec
3514A - Airtonics
6994A - Nine Eagles
1372A - Hobby Shack
10491A - Esprit Model Inc. (US Jeti Importer)

An importer or distributor can have the radio apparatus certified.

I even checked my wireless mouse, it has an Industry Canada (IC) certification number on the label in the battery compartment.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_1655.jpg
Views:	30
Size:	963.5 KB
ID:	1061250  
MRK is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 09-25-2016, 06:50 AM   #16
davidmc36
Level 3 Supporter
★ Site Supporter ★
 
davidmc36's Avatar
 
I am: David C
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Morewood, ON
# of RCs: 25

Feedback: 77 / 100%
Posts: 3,301
Total Props: 46
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Quote:
Originally Posted by MRK View Post
..
6157A - Horizon Hobby (Spektrum, JR)
2914D - Futaba
3420A - Hitec
3514A - Airtonics
6994A - Nine Eagles
1372A - Hobby Shack
10491A - Esprit Model Inc. (US Jeti Importer)

..
Also:

20961 - Graupner CO., Ltd

..but not all their stuff is there, no Tx's except the 4 channel pistol grip.
__________________
No Bounce-No Play
The one who dies with the most toys wins!
Electric flying is pretty much seeing how close to a dead short you can run without setting it on fire.
34453
davidmc36 is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 10-06-2016, 10:08 AM   #17
Trumpet
RCC Contributor
 
I am: Mark Betuzzi
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Kamloops BC

Feedback: 5 / 100%
Posts: 317
Total Props: 8
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye Can Fly View Post
Interesting subject. I am like David, try to do things the right way. That said, IC hasn't made it easy to find out IF your equipment is on the list. Found a IC page ( https://sms-sgs.ic.gc.ca/equipmentSe...execution=e3s1 ) where I could enter just the IC certification #.

Discovered my Jeti DS-16 is indeed certified, yet when I enter my Spektrum DX-8 Cert #, nada. All my Jeti Rxs are buried deep in planes at the moment, but as they all use varying degrees of telemetry, I will run those #'s when the hoods are open the next time.

I was informed some time ago that it isn't illegal to sell non-certified radio equipment, just not legal to use it. Ain't that a kick in the pants?
At IC/ISED - Horizon's DX8 - 6157 A-AMTX11 is the certification number for this radio.
Trumpet is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 10-06-2016, 11:14 AM   #18
stegl
RCC Supreme Contributor
 
I am: Len S
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Kelowna
Radio of choice:
Jeti DS16 just need one radio as it does it all but still use my Airtronics SD10.
# of RCs: 10

Feedback: 28 / 100%
Posts: 3,127
Total Props: 20
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Can a US visitor use his FCC radio at my field?

MAAC doesn't make it mandatory, IC does. MAAC just seems to be going out of their way to make sure we all know that.[/QUOTE]

My take on this one, is that if a US visitor flies his FCC covered radio gear in Canada he is covered by his AMA insurance in case of the unforeseen accident/claim and the same for a Canadian resident going down to the US he is covered by his MAAC insurance when using IC/FCC equipment.

As for cost of getting FCC/IC approval in NA it costs and the off shore designers/builders do not want to do the approval as it would make the selling of their equipment more costly and maybe non competitive , price wise.

In NA ; the importer/distributor usually picks up the tab and has the equipment approved and stickers affixed.
stegl is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 10-06-2016, 06:39 PM   #19
davidmc36
Level 3 Supporter
★ Site Supporter ★
 
davidmc36's Avatar
 
I am: David C
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Morewood, ON
# of RCs: 25

Feedback: 77 / 100%
Posts: 3,301
Total Props: 46
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Quote:
Originally Posted by stegl View Post

My take on this one, is
.
I get the same take in my mind. So I don't see any way around needing to turf all the stuff I have or insurance will be useless in light of MAAC pointing out how non-IC stuff is illegal. I mean it always has been, just it seemed to be not enforced nor was anybody really concerned about it.

Thought about looking at Futaba but I think it will be even more overpriced than Spektrum. Going to be an awful step backwards in telemetry from either FrSky or Graupner. DSM2 stuff can prob be had cheaper and it works fine and dandy where I fly.

Started to pick up a couple things to use with DM9 module on Horus so I guess I am already in midst of the switch. .......lol
__________________
No Bounce-No Play
The one who dies with the most toys wins!
Electric flying is pretty much seeing how close to a dead short you can run without setting it on fire.
34453
davidmc36 is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Old 10-06-2016, 07:42 PM   #20
stegl
RCC Supreme Contributor
 
I am: Len S
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Kelowna
Radio of choice:
Jeti DS16 just need one radio as it does it all but still use my Airtronics SD10.
# of RCs: 10

Feedback: 28 / 100%
Posts: 3,127
Total Props: 20
Re: FCC IC and Insurance

Know what you are saying about Futaba vs Spektrum . Futaba makes some good radios
, receivers and servos . Looking at the whole picture one has to compare the dependability and cost of their radio equipment to the value of what they have in the air, I guess....

If it wasn't for telemetry I would have stuck with my Airtronics SD-10 with very good programming and their FHSS-3 receivers for range and dependability ; hands down , bar none. Even after being 9 years old in the running users are still finding and publishing programing that the designers didn't know was there.

About 2 weeks ago my thoughts on Spektrum products was again reinforced by the fact that a jet flyer had an issue with a nose gear servo and then from my understanding his elevator servo packed it in and quit... fortunately on the ground. Both were higher end HV servos with not a lot of time on them so failure was premature. Apparently the rest of the servos are going to be pulled.

Everyone at some point in time has to make that decision what they want to go with
and how much to pay. The old saying has some truth , in my mind " Pay me now or pay me later ". Continual replacement can end up costing what your quality equipment might be. Really, something to think on.
stegl is offline   Quick reply to this message.
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the RCCanada - Canada Radio Controlled Hobby Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Member names may only be composed of alpha-numeric characters. (A-Z and 0-9)

!!ATTENTION ADVERTISERS!! If you intend on advertising anything on this forum, whatsoever, you are required to first contact us here . Additionally, we do NOT allow BUSINESS NAMES unless you are an Authorized Vendor. If you own a business, and want to do sales on this site via posting or private message, you will need to follow the rules. Shops, Stores, Distributors, Group Buys without being authorized will see your account terminated.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Your Name
Your first name and last initial is required if you plan on using the forum.
Location
Which city & province you live in. This is mandatory for classified listings.
Radio of choice?
Which radio is your current favorite to use?
Number of RC Vehicles?
How many boats, cars, planes do you own?

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
vBulletin Message

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:35 PM.


vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.