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Old 03-11-2005, 10:43 AM   #1
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Just looking for opinions on this one.

Do you think that if someone joins a new club, for example if he/she has moved, that they should have to take that clubs wings test even if they have received their wings from another club?

The reason I ask is that i've found that there is not a set standard that all clubs follow. Some clubs seem to pass pilots who realy should require either more time on the buddy box or at least having the instructor by their side.

Anyway I thoght that this would be a good topic for discussion and maybe find out what other clubs are doing about this.
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:04 AM   #2
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Hi Stuntbuddie,

I often wonder about this myself.

I understand that MAAC sells the pins, etc. and I assume the program guidelines come from them and there fore should be recognized by any club affiliated with them.

I often wonder if there should be some designation with your MAAC number to identify that you have attended an approved wings program. Something like a "W" after your number, and thus on your card. This would let all clubs know you have your wings.

Just my thoughts.


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Old 03-11-2005, 02:03 PM   #3
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Even that doesn't help. Just because I got my wings, say 10 years ago, doesn't mean I'm safe to fly now.

We don't do a "wings" test but someone will stand with a new member, show the the no-fly zones etc and talk them through their first flight.

As long as the individual is flying safely, there isn't a problem. Folks that have some serious issues around safety are spoken to and advised to speak with the CFI or Wings director. That rarely happens as most folks are honest about their abilities and don't mind asking for assistance if they are rusty or unsure.

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Old 03-11-2005, 02:24 PM   #4
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Hi Bob,

I agree with what you said. No matter what safeguards are put into place, there will always be someone who will disregard or bend the rules.

As for a person who hasn't flown for 10 years, they have the cost of a plane and equipment at risk. They will know the costs from previous experience, and also know the likelyhood of a crash due to "rusty thumbs". Knowing this, they would most likely seek assistance before taking to the air.

We all know that not everyone will use common sense and fit in the above category, and there will be someone who won't use caution, however, the "W" behind the number would be a good starting point.

Another suggestion may be that if a person hasn't renewed their MAAC in (lets say) 3 years, then they would have to requalify for their wings.

The thought of putting a "W" behind your MAAC number would do a couple of things.

1. It will let people know that you have gone through the wings program and at least know the safety precautions.
2. There will be a central registrar at MAAC of the people who have taken the course.
3. It will advise "other" clubs (by the card with a number and "W") that you have taken the wings program - a card without a "W" would let them know you haven't taken the program and need to be supervised for at least the first flight.

I would also suggest there would be a "grandfathering" in of current pilots, and the program would become in effect a year latter.

Again, just my thoughts.


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Old 03-11-2005, 02:29 PM   #5
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Bob.........if everyone follows the Wings program as outlined by the MAAC site ( first stage)........the basic flying disciplines should be good enough for a flyer to fly at another field. That is the takeoff, land, procedure turn, dead stick, maybe a loop and all the safety rules on the ground including freq. check, etc...and if the instructors at the guys original field were worthy instructors..and has a valid MAAC card,and understands the latest MAAC regulations, then I see no problem.
But then again, if he had no previous club and was flying on his own in some cornfield..or booted out of another club...then I would ask for certification.

P.S. has a downloadable wings program....yet it appears to me, that by the time you get to the last stage.....yer flying like Mike Clemmons

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Wings program

What Wings? I've been flying r/c for nearly 40 years, control line before that, still fly freeflight, and I still don't have my Wings. Worse, I won't ever need a reason to get 'em either.

I have seen some big flaws in the program, and until they are addressed, I see it as a waste of time. If you go to a new field and need help, youi should get it without difficulty. If they need you to "prove yourself", a simple cursory inspection of the model, and a solo flight with an instructor should clear you for participation, nothing else. I've seen MAAC wings on some pretty bad pilots with pretty big egos ; I simply don't fly with them.

Sure, there has to be a system in place, but the MAAC program needs work IMHO.
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Old 03-11-2005, 02:39 PM   #7
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I would like to see the wings program more widely employed. Not because I want see if I am "as good as", or "better than" another member, but simply as a yardstick to assess my own skill level against.

I also have no problem with the chief Instructor (or his/her designate) at another club standing by my elbow and seeing that I know what I am doing before I am turned loose at their field.

Further, I feel a person should be checked out as they move on to faster, quicker acting aircraft to ensure they are not going beyond their abilities. Just because I am a safe and competent flyer with my SIG LT-40 doesn't give me the ability to handle a 40% EDGE with a great honking engine in aerobatic fashion.

I feel if I show up with an aircraft that is well beyond what I normally fly someone should have the right to call me on it and make certain I am not over my head.

There's my 2 cents.

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Old 03-11-2005, 05:19 PM   #8
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Each club in Canada is private and in being such has the right to ask any person to prove that they are able to fly. Standards are different at each club and just because a person meets them at one club does not mean they meet them at all fields. I think its a safety thing. A person may be able to fly a trainer at their old club but show up at my club with an extra 300. Thats got to be dealt with.

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I don't have a problem being asked to prove my abilities are what I claim them to be. In fact I look at that as the club being proactive as far as safety. Simply ask what their requirements are for wings certification then have one of the instructors stand with you and fly for them. Simple and no hard feelings for anyone. It also shows your easy to get along with and as interested in safety as the rest of the members.

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Old 03-11-2005, 06:28 PM   #10
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I would like to put forward a thought which we are looking at in our club,using the complete program ,all the levels with instruction.People will be able to challenge the test at any level.The thinking behind this is again the bloody insurance.We are looking at being pro active against the day when the insurance industry asks us for proof of competency,much like they do for other clients that operate things requiring skill

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