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Old 01-30-2007, 01:35 PM   #1
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Hi guy's. I'm getting back into the hobby after several years (9) away. I was shocked when I went into the local hobby shops. There was hardley any kits, everything was an ARF. Does nobody build anymore? I mean don't get me wrong flying is fun but buiding is equally rewarding. At least when you crash you have some idea how to rebuild the aircraft.
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Old 01-30-2007, 01:58 PM   #2
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Welcome back

Roddy welcome back to the sport. I felt the same way when I started back but with the help of the members here things went well. If you want to build talk to your LHS and explain what kit you want and see if they will order it for you (how long to get in) great hobbies on the internet has a fairly good selection of kits( canadian company) and there are US companies that ship to canada.
Good luck and let us know what your going to build.
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Old 01-30-2007, 03:03 PM   #3
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Good Day Roddy;

Yes, ARFs seems to be the current trend- too many people with money but no time.

My LHS has told me of disgruntled builders that have travelled 1-2 hours to visit him for a kit - builders are a determined lot!

If you are planning to travel the 401 in the future, drop me a line and I can give you directions to a shop that still stocks "KITS".

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Old 01-30-2007, 04:24 PM   #4
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Hi Roddy
You can bet youre butt , there are a whole lot of us out there that build , mostly there hybernating in there work shop . It s that time of year

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Old 01-30-2007, 06:50 PM   #5
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There are still kits out have to search for them though.. Unionville, Balsa USA, Sig, Goldberg, Herr, Great Planes, Adrian Page, Brodak. and Estes/Sterling still make kits
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:10 PM   #6
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And then there are the laser cutters. Almost any plan you can dream of is now cut by someone.

I think the ARF's have only helped the hobby. Otherwise, all these wonderful lazy people with money would never have gotten into the hobby

I truly feel the diversity of the clubs has only been enhanced with the introduction of quality ARF's. And alot of them are very well built. Vmar is still around, and their ARF's are still junk, from everything I've heard, but as far as I can recall, they were one of the first widely seen ARF's 10 years ago.

Sig, Great Planes, and Goldberg (the 'big three" in my mind) all have various ARF's available now. They also have their kits as well, but some of the stadard kit's are discontinued. If you really want a discontinued kit, it can probably be had from one of the many modellers out there, all accessible through forums such as this!
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Old 01-30-2007, 10:26 PM   #7
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Old 01-30-2007, 11:42 PM   #8
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HI Robby, I am also returning after quite some time, unfortunally my trainer suffered a fatal glitch and never did get my wings 12 or so years ago because my career reqired me to work out of town soon after.I love building but when you work away from home kind of tuff. Arf's have their place for people like myself. If quality arf's were not available I probly could'nt have returned or I would be spending my time off from work building instead of flying.Once I have a few arf's and some time as a pilot I will build from a kit, hopefully before I retire. There are still kits out there, just requires a little more research to find what you want. Have fun on your return to flying. I also would like to hear what you decide to build.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:35 AM   #9
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Canhos wrote: ....I think the ARF's have only helped the hobby. Otherwise, all these wonderful lazy people with money would never have gotten into the hobby.....

I know you said that 'tonge in cheek' and NOT in any darogatory way but to express a point which is actually in favour of ARFs. BUT many people DO look down on ARFs for all the wrong reasons and say things like that and mean it! I just don't want people to take your statement the wrong way!

I'm not sure why, but a lot of people do feel that, either a person is too lazy to build and/or they have more money than the next hobbiest if they purchase ARF's and thats why they are able to get into the hobby.

I dare say, such statements are inaccurate to the folks who have the ability to honestly do the math and can understand and relate to the person to whom money, time and working space is a scarce comodity..

For example, a well known Manufacturer whos been around since the early days of RC and now produces both kits and ARFs sells a particular trainer in both formats. The kit now retails for somewhere around $119.00 give or take a couple of bucks. Besides the purchase price of the kit, you also need to buy glues, coverings, fuel tank, wheels, motor mount, mounting bolts, X-acto blades, sandpaper, filler, etc to complete the kit. The covering alone for 2 to 3 rolls is approx $50 to $75 with the tax... and then theres the money spent for gas travelling to and from the hobby store multiple times to buy the extras you decided to wait and get later...once the airframe is built! Now spend anywhere from 25 to perhaps 50 or more hours building, sanding, filling and covering. OH and wait....I need an Iron and a Heat Gun??? How much is that? Hmmm!!

The ARF version of the exact same model comes with everything necessary to assemble and ready it for the engine and radio equipment for around $189.00. Assembly time approx. 10 to 18 hours (avg builder)

Now YOU do the math! Be honest with yourself now.... Who has more money to spend....the KIT builder OR the ARF assembler????

NOW don't tell me that its cheeper to build a larger plane from a kit! Again, when you add up the price of the kit plus everything else needed to complete it, you'll find that.... almost... every time, the ARF is still cheeper.

Please don't get me wrong here, both ways there are pros and cons to this argument OR choice. Personally, I perfer building either from scratch or a kit as I like to add my own preferences to colour, detail and design. Or perhaps there is not an ARF (yet) for the particular model I want to fly!

Then again, I no longer have three kids living at home in my meager appartment on the 5 floor of an appartment complex where noise, dust/fumes, space to build and accessability is a serious concern! You can assemble a small trainer on a dinning room table but build??? Hmmm! Maybe I buy ARFs now to save money for a larger vehicle instead of trying to drive to the field in my VW Bug with the plane, the dog barking wildly and the three kids screaming "Are we there yet!"

Just MHO! And lets be fair here when using terms like " lazy... with money" because many now opt to buy ARF's.

I prefer to say: "ALL the wonderful people who are able to join us, whatever way they choose to aquire their aircraft, where we make some of the best friends we'll ever have, where we help each other to find the joy and sense of accomplishment that only the great hobby of RC Aviation can bring! Are we having fun yet?? YOU BET!!!

NOW...Thank you for listening to MY Rant!
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Old 01-31-2007, 06:52 AM   #10
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I buy ARFs to get something in the air in a hurry to hack around with, then I scratch build planes that there are no ARFs or kits for. I can't figure out why some people are so concerned and upset over what the other guy is building. To each his own.
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