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Old 03-18-2007, 09:45 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by Oshawapilot
Originally Posted by Sparhawk
I thought that if you were landing at an uncontrolled airport, that a overflight was required to ensure the runway was clear for landing? Is this not the case?

Technically the most accepted procedure is called a mid downwind join - it's basically to fly a direct (90 degree) cross over the field at 500' above circuit altitude, observe the windsock and runway conditions, turn and decend on the inactive side of the circuit for the runway you are using, pass over the field again (now at circuit height) and join the mid downwind.

Now you are busy concentrating on the approach and configuring the aircraft, so it gets exponentially busier.

If required you can make a low and slow over the field on the first pass to further observe the runway and conditions...then climbing back up to circuit altitude, fly the circuit, and then make your approach and landing assuming the inspections are acceptable.

There are also several alternate ways to join the circuit, and of course there are also the (*ahem*) "other" ways that some people make their approaches if they are being less the professional.

Given this is a operational airport you'd find that most people would do away with the "inspection" pass so far as the actual condition of the runways are concerned - they will likely make an educated guess on the wind conditions, choose an appropriate runway accordingly, and (hopefully) do a mid downwind join procedure so that they can confirm wind direction and runway serviceability at it's most basic.

However, flying into any small airport (especially little grass strips) everyone need to be aware for those not exactly following procedure, making straight in approaches, dropping into the circuit from above, etc etc.

its should also be pointed out that the gliders approach my differ to some degree and also there is not the luxury of another go-round

rc airplanes and full size sailplanes are a terriable mix indeed ,,the last thing a glider pilots wants is to have to dodge rc pilots on final

not all ,but many rc pilots may overlook the circumstances facing a full size glider port

theres no place,like cloud base!
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Old 03-18-2007, 11:08 AM   #32
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Very good point regarding the gliders....no second chance.
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Old 03-18-2007, 12:39 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by Oshawapilot
Very good point regarding the gliders....no second chance.
Yes but you become one helluva good pilot this way!

I know I got my Glider and Power Wings with Air Cadets in the late 70's. I use to glide every weekend in April, May & June then again in September and October. When you have only one chance to land you get good at it. I use to always leave about 500 feet extra altitude until I knew I was going to make the field then do some wild sidesliping down to about 5 feet bang the rudder and flair her in. Was quite exciting, for me anyways, I don't know about some of the kids though, they looked a little green some times.

I was flying Power and Glider for a while and rarely used flaps on the C-172 as i would slip in for a landing as well, always on the numbers. When I stopped gliding, after about a year or so later I noticed I started depending more on the throttle and flaps and such because I knew I had them. In other words my landings got a little sloppy and it took a lot of mental work to get them back up to snuff.. but I digress..

Yes the Stoney Creek Hawks have hosted about a half dozen modeling events at a local Agricultural Airport in Stoney Creek. There is always someone on a handheld monitoring the traffic and they make sure that a AIC is issued for the dates they have model activity.

The airport is supposed to be closed but you get the odd pilot that hasn't checked the AICs and flys in any ways. When traffic is herd approaching then all RC Activity immediately stops and any aircraft in the air is recalled for landing to ensure there is nothing in the air for when the aircraft arrives. It works quite well and there have been no incidents to date.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:42 PM   #34
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Hi, my family and I are regular visitors to the Picton area, whenever we are there I sneak away after dinner on the nice evenings to visit the guys at the airport flying models, upon my last visit in Aug./06. I was chased down by some kid barely old enough to drive and told that I was on private property and I would have to leave or I would be charged with trespassing. I wish your club the best of luck finding another site.
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Old 03-20-2007, 02:53 PM   #35
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Well, I believe we have another place! It's only about 15 minutes out of Picton heading east. just before the 401.
Again, it's an active airport BUT for "some" reason there doesn't seem to be an issue here
I'll keep ya posted unless one of the guys involved with want to chime in.
This is possibly GREAT news for the scale Rally!
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Old 03-20-2007, 02:55 PM   #36
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I wish you luck on whatever happens.

As I said, I'm not against it as long as the proper precautions are in place, but it does remain a very real risk regardless and I can see it from both sides of the story as a pilot of RC and fullscale myself.

Hopefully the new place works out well for you.
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Old 03-20-2007, 04:52 PM   #37
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Re: Picton

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Well, I believe we have another place! It's only about 15 minutes out of Picton heading east. just before the 401.
Where would that be, Myles? Up Marysville Road? That would be a heck of a hike from Consecon for me. Oh well, pavement is pavement.
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>15 minutes out of Picton heading east. just before the 401.

Not thinking of Mountainview, are you?
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:59 PM   #39
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Moutain View is North of Picton, I beleive he is thinking of the Deseronto Airport.

It is active but in private use, mainly for flight instruction - at last report.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:22 PM   #40
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I know exactly how you people must feel . We were holding a NATS contest at our field ( Amidair ) last year and it was cut short because of aircraft control . Some , not all thought that we might lose our field , were 5k from an airport . It turned out in our favour , but we have to watch our cieling , its 500 feet . Can anyone tell me what insurrance doesn t control : Thank GOD that we don t need to insure what we think .

Sorry to hear about youre flying site

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