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Old 10-01-2008, 10:55 AM   #21
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I have seen guys sad after dorking their plane and that is understandable but i have seen a couple throw a little temper tantrum after crashing and it makes me laugh a little. Everyone handles it different. I actually had one plane i was glad i crashed i could never get it flying properly but my stubborness wouldn't just let it go, so when it did go in i was glad to not have to deal with it anymore!!
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:26 AM   #22
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First off I primarily build my planes from kits. I enjoy the building process, and am fortunate to have the space and time to do so. My hanger consists of five kit builds and two ARF's all of which are flyable at any moment. After this coming winter I will have two garbage can planes to add to my fleet. I have been flying a garbage can Sig Something Extra this season, and this winter it will receive a new fuselage. I will also finish rebuilding a Hanger 9 Funtana 40.
I save the majority of my building for the winter months and the rest of the year I dedicate to flying as often as possible. I repair my planes if needed and throw them away if a rebuild isn't possible. This includes my ARF's. So far I have yet to scrap one of my kit builds, but an ARF has hit the fire pit.
I do not understand the narrow mindedness of some of the members on this site who have nothing but distaste for anything other than a scratch built aircraft. I admire those who are capabale of drawing plans, vacume forming, fiberglassing and painting, as they are skills that I do not posess, yet, but I do not look down on those that are not willing to go to such great lengths.
Enjoy the hobby in whatever form, and enjoy the company of your flying companions. Keep an open mind and check the attitude at the gate. I've said it before, it matters not to me what you fly, but that you fly.

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Old 10-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #23
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I really don't care what kind of plane you fly, ARF or scratch build, glow, electric or jet. Just enjoy the hobby and come out to the field and fly - I like the comradeship and the company! See ya at the field!


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Old 10-01-2008, 12:43 PM   #24
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Bottom line for me is "who cares"

I discovered years ago that its mostly about the group of guys I fly with. I know people with as much duct tape on their planes as covering that are great to fly with and love coming out. The fact that they can't afford the time or money to build doesn't bother me one bit. Personally I have a real hard time building anymore with two small kids and a full time job so its usually the high end ARF for me. When I'm retired things will change but until then I do what I can. There is some real junk out there but there are some real high quality ARFs too that are better than what a skilled builder could do. Flying is another story as I've seen people with amazing building skills that can't fly to save their lives. Again this doesn't matter to me and shouldn't matter to you. The important thing is that we all have a good time and try to play nice.
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Old 10-01-2008, 01:08 PM   #25
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I'm with Wayne, as long as you come out and fly, regardless of what it is, then that's great! I'm happy to see anyone out there that enjoys this hobby as much as I do.

As for those "electrified piece of foam", do you not consider something like this a model?
It's obvious that this builder has put a lot of time and effort into his plane, regardless of the material used, and I think that even a "true modeler" would have difficulty replicating it.

If it makes you happy to whine and complain about the hobby and how great it use to be, knock yourself out. It's not going to bring it back, so just suck it up and get on with it.

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Old 10-01-2008, 01:46 PM   #26
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Well, here's another viewpoint. I'm one of those guys who got into the hobby before ARF's were a big thing (1990). I had to build kits. I'm good at building kits (not great, but good.) But, I really don't enjoy it. Really.

The part of the hobby that I enjoy is flying. Not building. So, as ARF's developed and the quality improved, I "assembled" more of them than I "built" kits. (As Ed noticed though, the quality of ARF's can sometimes leave a bit to be desired. A little research can help there. Not to say you should have done that, Ed, given your situation.)

I'll still build kits for planes that I can't get as an ARF, but if there's a good ARF for a plane I want, then it's assembly time.

As always, YMMV.

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Old 10-01-2008, 02:01 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Second time around View Post
What is happening to our hobby .
For the last 75 years or more it has been an exciting trial and error hobby.
Not now. I won't say we because I do not do buy an electrified piece of foam go to the nearest park or playground and try to fly one of these overpriced piece of so called models.

A true modeler in my opinion is someone that spent the winter building his project and anticipating the spring day when he and family go for that first amazing flight. Think back to that day for you old timers that have been around for the past 60 or 80 years.It truly was amazing to see that box of wood take off into the sky and actually fly.What a beautiful
moment . I still get that feeling today on a maiden flight.

You are special people that have experianced something that a lot of people never will.


What a bunch of hypocrisy.

Do you go into the forest and cut the balsa tree down?
Do you formulate the raw materials to sythesize the plastic film to cover the wings?
Do you distill your own fuel?
Did you cast your own engine block from super light weight alloys?
And, "oh my god", don't even tell me what modern contraption you're using for a radio? PCM? High Freq?

Clearly your notion of the true meaning of "modeling" is one designed to reflect your own whims.

The fact is that Foamies, ARF's and other rapidly-evolving facets of this hobby have opened the doors to many folks. As a member of that demographic, I'm offended by your post. It makes me feel unwelcome in my own hobby. After 15+ years, that's a sad place to be.

Oh, and is it not just the ultimate irony that you're sitting and pounding the keys on your internet machine about tradition! You only seem to be alergic to selective bits of progress.


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Old 10-01-2008, 02:58 PM   #28
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Hi Gary,

Is this the quality you are referring to? I am trying to assemble an ARF for somebody. This is the wing saddle fit. I can only assume the wing was built upside down. The position of the front dowel will not allow the wing to sit down. I am awaiting comment from great planes.

Ed S
Psssst, hey Ed. Maybe its not the fit of the parts thats the problem. Me thinks the ARF gods are angry with you!

Perhaps your friend who goes out and purchases the cheepest piece of junk he can find should build it himself. Try checking out the quality of Carden or Aeroworks ARF's. Certainly not cheep but they are well designed and built with quality materials!! I "assembled" most of my AW ARF in two evenings and when finished, it flew absolutely great, right off the "assembly" bench!

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Old 10-01-2008, 03:46 PM   #29
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Ah, that's what is great these days about this rapidly evolving hobby...especially the electric side of it....
"it's different strokes for different folks"

Who wants to spend endless evenings (unless it's raining) from May to November building, ..when you could be flying...hence the way to go is ARF's.

Come December to April I look forward to creating my own planes from either balsa or foam. And with the quality of ARF's so much better than just a few years ago and the fact that quite often, when finished, the built model costs more than the ARF, due to that person overseas working for a small wage, it's no wonder each month there are more new ARF's available. It likely will not stay that way for too many more years!

I re-entered this hobby five years ago, on the electric side, and it's been a mind-blowing experience to see the changes in that short period.
Remember we were using the new NiMh cells and what lipos there were came with an 8C discharge...!


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Old 10-01-2008, 04:18 PM   #30
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I appreciate all parts of the hobby.

Did my first build in 1958.

1/2 A u-control with OK Cub .049.

It was scratch built and no plans were used.
It looked pretty bad but it flew slow and I learned to fly on it.

My 2nd plane was modified from a set of plans for "the profile".
It looked pretty good and flew great.

SInce then I have built R/C models from plans, kits and 1 ARF.
I also have bought several used R/C planes.

If it flies I like it!!!
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