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Old 11-24-2008, 11:26 PM   #1
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As the title says what would be a good choice for plane number 2, kit built. The candidates are (in my current order of preference) CG Tiger 60, SIG 4*60, GPM Super Sportester 60, or CG Super Chipmunk.

A little background to help with the advice for plane 2.

Newbie pilot, got hooked on the hobby this fall on a come & fly day. Current trainer (under construction) Hobbiestar Mk III, Thunder Tiger GP61, Spektrum DX7. Practicing like crazy on FS One, original trainer choice was a Alpha 60. Putting in the sim time until the spring flight training can start (what else can a newbie do this time of year). But its a long winter and I need to scratch this RC itch I've picked up. So to stop myself from doing something mmm..... stupid, why not build the graduation plane. Indoor flying really isn't an option, very few dates locally, and electrons & foam can't compete with 2 stroke exhaust & balsa!

So there you have it another poor soul hooked on this hobby. All recommendations & advise accepted with thanks.

My other passion...... you guessed it 2 stroke exhaust & snow!

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Old 11-25-2008, 03:12 AM   #2
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Re: 2nd plane choice

You'll love a Tiger 60 as a second plane. I changed mine to a tail dragger and carved on a cowl. OS61 sf for power. Built it 6 years ago and I still take it out every spring and wring it out. Great first low wing plane.

I also have a CG Super chipmunk, same setup os61 sf. It really goes. I would add it after I had some time on my tiger 60. It goes where you aim it and is faster than the Tiger 60.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:34 AM   #3
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Re: 2nd plane choice

Any of those planes you list will do the job. There are slight variations in how they perform to be certain. Any one of them will do though.

Here's an idea for you. Get your trainer finished and learn to fly the cr*& out of it. You will then have a much better idea of what you want and what would be appropriate in your case for that second plane. You might even find that you would prefer something a bit more challenging than the planes you listed, such as an Extra, Edge, Ultimate bipe or so on. There's nothing to stop you from graduating to one of those if you have a great foundation.

My first real trainer was a Kadet Senior, kit built and my second plane was a Diabolo 1/4 scale aerobatic monster. It worked out perfectly. What a blast.

The problem with loading up on a bunch of stuff at this stage with the future in mind is that in so many cases, once that future arrives, you wind up with a bunch of stuff which no longer fits your tastes or plans or both. When you liquidate it, you lose lots of money. You also wind up with a bunch of money tied up in stuff which for you becomes obsolete.

However, there are quite a few who have "the disease" and wind up just collecting a bunch of stuff which ultimately never gets used - gotta have at least one of each of the latest, greatest whatever it is to come out. To each his own.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:42 PM   #4
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Re: 2nd plane choice

My second airplane is a Hanger 9 Ultra Stick 40. I love it. I set the wing up with flaps (no crow with the ailerons), and the plane flies great. I pretty much have to stick with 40 sized planes for now, due to space limitations.

It was a long, tough process, with tons of reading to decide what I wanted. In the end I got a plane that I could transfer my engine and electronics from my trainer (Hobbico Avistar) to. I really want to build something this winter, maybe a Great Planes Ultimate 40, or a Ken Park designed Shark. We'll see.

There is a great build of a 4*60 on rc universe here http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_38..._1/key_/tm.htm, tons of photos, and lots of honesty. He really does a great job for detail as well. Good luck with your decision. Daren
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:16 PM   #5
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Re: 2nd plane choice

Those are all good choices for a second plane. I've built and flown each one of those and had no complaints about any of them. From a building stand point though, the Sig 4*60 wins hands down. Being laser cut it was a pure joy to build, so much so that I ended up building 2 others for fellow club members.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:52 PM   #6
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Go ahead and build any of the planes you mention but get lots of time on your trainer. The building season is upon us but you can always get an ARF next season if you change your mind (swap meet?). It's a good idea to add something new to your next plane, like flaps. It's a progression that you will be glad you made. My second plane was a GP 1/4 scale RV-4 with a Saito 125. My instructor said to go with the over sized engine and I'm glad I did. Very stable flyer and a great plane to progress on. The larger the plane, the better they fly! Good Luck
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Old 11-28-2008, 07:15 PM   #7
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Re: 2nd plane choice

Thanks to all who replied, and the choice is ....... the Tiger 60,....... no wait the Sig 4*60 ?

Really, the Tiger 60 is my choice , if for nothing else, I like the looks of the Tiger.

Maybe I'll even get crazy and do Newbie build threat........ that should be good, CA, Epoxy, & Wood Glue everywhere!

My other passion...... you guessed it 2 stroke exhaust & snow!

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Old 12-16-2008, 09:11 PM   #8
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Re: 2nd plane choice

Good choice. Try a Super Tigre 61 for power. It'll have no lack of oompf. Also, like someone earlier mentioned, do the tail dragger conversion. Enjoy the addiction.
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Re: 2nd plane choice

The CG Tiger 60 done up as a taildragger is awesome. Ground handles great and the landings....oh the landings are so sweet!!! When she touchs down, she stays down. I have a Tower Hobbies .75 2st in mine now. I had a GMS .76 in it but took it out and sold it to my brother who was in need of another GMS .76. She rocks with a .75/.76 with a 13x6 or 13x5 MAS prop.

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Old 12-18-2008, 09:18 AM   #10
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Re: 2nd plane choice

TIGER 60 !!

I've got one, bought it slightly used and added my own radio and engine. I put an OS FSII-91 4-Stroke with a 14-6 prop (I think that's the prop size) on it. Once I figured out the best way to hook up the throttle linkage it was good to go!!

An easy flier, nice, straight, and stable. Floats in to a perfect landing almost every time. Once it's balanced and trimmed, flies great in all directions. Mine likes to do low inverted passes (5-10 ft) along the lenght of the field.

It's great for learning aerobatics, but won't quite do 3D (although I can get mine to hover for a second or two ... just not enough control throws to keep it there).

With low rates and an instructor ... I think folks could even learn / train on the Tiger 60.

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