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Old 01-27-2009, 01:52 PM   #21
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I promised myself I was not going to chime in here, but well here goes:

We, YOUR MAAC JET COMMITTEE members are not trying to make more new fact we are trying to simplify it all. By way of introduction, I have been a member of the MAAC Jet Committee since its inception sometime in the 1980's. Were it not for all of us working this way there could likely/possibly not be turbines flying in Canada anymore under MAAC. There was a strong push a couple of times to eliminate turbines completely. Many thanks go directly to Wayne for offsetting the most recent thrust to eliminate turbine engines under MAAC. You would frankly be quite astonished as to what gets said and done at MAAC in our "less than best" interest.

The rules are there to protect all of us...and quite frankly I think most of this negative commentary comes from fellows who do not have the information that the Jet Committee has had to deal with. So we mostly let it all slide, but please remember we do need rules to show that we are actually self aware of the potential dangers. It is the demonstration of that concept that sways the big rule makers from stopping our segment of the hobby. It is that demonstration that keeps the insurance company covering us. There is nothing that the insurance underwriters need to know that they do not already know.

Yes we could obtain our insurance elsewhere, until the first incident/accident, and then there will be no insurance outside of MAAC. It is only with the backing of all 12000 MAAC members that insurance coverage might continue AFTER an incident. So we do all of this to prevent that incident from taking place. So do almost all jet pilots.

Turbine pilots as a general category all take all the precautions they possibly can to make certain they have sucessful flights. Most of you need not have rules because you know them as common jet sense. That has been a lot of my personal commentary on the rules in our forums.

HOWEVER: we are getting to the stage in turbines where some guys, with more "money than sense" as the General puts it, are entering the turbine is more than likely that a newbie of this genre will cause an incident if an incident ocurrs. It is mostly for that segment that we make rules and recommendations. Think guys, who of us has not seen such a newbie with a brand new ARF jet gettting ready to "screw the pooch", and we get involved to prevent that from happening. Well this rule stuff is exactly that...on paper.

Remember nothing is set in stone as rules can get changed if they become aged or irrelevant or just plain wrong. We all remember that lovely MAAC rule that prevented flying over "active roadways" which virtually would have stopped flying at 80% of the MAAC sanctioned fields! It got changed in a heartbeat! Literally written out of the MAAC safety code in a few hours after the ZD's got together in an email frenzy.

Guys please understand no one wants to do this job, and the precious few that do accomplish it, need your SUPPORT, rather than negativity. This thread was generated to find out if there were any propane powered turbines still operational in Canada...nothing more. The new turbine rules are nearly complete and read so cleanly and succintly that I am amazed! Super Kudos to Wayne for his ability to ramrod this project!

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Old 01-27-2009, 04:01 PM   #22
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Thanks to Wayne, Len and any others that have put the effort into this project. I'm sure the results will be outstanding.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:02 PM   #24
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Thanks for the support guys... there are two issues here...

The first was a safety concern about aircraft flying with large pressurized containers of compressed gas. It is antiquated technology and it appears that everyone has moved on, however, there is nothing stopping one from surfacing via ebay or a similar venue.

Before we moved on this, the committee needed to find out if anyone would be negatively impacted. We asked, because we care!
Apparently, nobody is flying one (Sean...ground runs would not be a problem....)

The other issue is that there are currently 86 different items that constitute our turbine rules as they exist today. At least 14 of these items exist to accommodate the use of compressed gas powered turbines. So the question becomes, why have all these rules on the books when nobody is using the machinery they regulate?

The opportunity arrived to simplify the rule structure by replacing 14 rules with one ("don't") as well as satisfy a safety concern. The committee is voting on this issue this week.

Thanks for everyone's input.
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