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Old 10-21-2009, 10:44 PM   #11
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Re: Model Aircraft location relative to Commercial Airport

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Everybody has a lot of opinions on this subject and few facts are ever presented. Our club,HMA, is within 3 miles of the local airport and we have existed well for over 13 years. A couple years ago we had a couple "incidents" the were reported to DOT. I was involved in a number of personal meetings with the DOT over resolving these incidents. They can shut you down! They aren't that hard to get along with, it's all about safety.

It doesn't matter how close or how far you are away as long as you fly safely. They can shut you down no matter where you are if there is a "ongoing hazard" to air traffic. We ended up banning IMAC style flying at our club as they were flying too high, too often. Our problem ended with airport incidents. Another myth is how high a full scale plane has to fly. We had one incident where the full scale pilot was 400' above grade. We questioned the DOT about that and were told," and he has every right to be there", and there was no discussion allowed about full scale height.

The Cambridge float flyers was started 5 years ago. I was one of the founders. We are within 2 miles of the local airport. We advised them what we intended to do, had a bunch of correspondence, meetings etc and it was a go. We fly on city property and lease a pond. It all had to be cleared and actually went through city council. Initially we had to phone the local tower when we started flying or ended flying. Two years ago they told us we didn't have to call them anymore, as we respected the air space and we were no problem to get along with.

It's about getting along with all your neighbours. It's best to be up front about everything and if you suspect or get "renegade" flyers in your club, just have a zero tolerance rule.(and enforce it)
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:23 AM   #12
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Try adopting TC's Safety Management System (SMS). Thatís the new way to play safe. Then you are basically self-governed because all they care about is wether SMS is working or not.
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Old 10-22-2009, 10:50 AM   #13
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Re: Model Aircraft location relative to Commercial Airport

Our field is close to our local Airport. When MAAC sent out a notice to all clubs some years ago informing of the 5 mile rule, I had a meeting with the Air Port manager. The 5 mile rule basically stated that a MAAC club had to have permission from the local Air Port authority if their flying field was located within a 5 mile radius of the Air Port. (or something like that) As stated in several of the responses, the local people are not difficult to deal with. After about a 20 minute meeting in which we traded flying stories, the mgr. wrote a letter giving us permission to fly. We have never had a problem period in over 30 years but ours is a small private/closed club. We enjoy watching the full sized planes between our flights and especially when the War Birds fly. The Lancaster is something to see as are the many other planes from the Hamilton Canadian War Birds museum. If in the area, a trip to this museum is worth the effort. . . Cheers
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:24 PM   #14
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Re: Model Aircraft location relative to Commercial Airport

Currently, the only mention I can find of restrictions to model aircraft is CAR 602.45, which states: "No person shall fly a model aircraft or a kite or launch a model rocket or a rocket of a type used in a fireworks display into cloud or in a manner that is or is likely to be hazardous to aviation safety."

So in the end, the question is "What is likely to be hazardous to aviation safety"? There's the catch-all that the lawyers will fight over if anything ever happens.

You can read the CARs (Civil Aviation Regulations) Part VI here: Where you will find other gems, like the fact that it is illegal for anybody to enter an aircraft in flight without the permission of the pilot. "Knock knock, can I come in off the wing now? It's cold out here at 350kts and 32,000ft"
From the manual of Air Traffic Control - Definitons: "Separation is that condition which exists when two or more aircraft fail to collide."
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:58 PM   #15
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Thanks for all ot the advice people. I have contacted the local airport authority, MAAC & our Zone director. Hopefully they will all see the positive benefits of a model flying field!
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