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Old 03-23-2020, 07:35 PM   #11
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Nice job Colin, there are some pretty tight spaces to work within.

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Ramz, about as good as Gary's t-rex that night following a 3am re-build.
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Old 03-24-2020, 12:20 PM   #12
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Re: Skymaster/Xtreme F16

Looks really nice Colin! The 140 should be a good power combination. Your installation looks very neat.

Right now you don't get much sympathy from me on how much room you have to install all the goodies. I recently took on the task of revamping a previous build on a 1/8 SM F-16. Of course I had to install a Baselog unit, Redundancy bus and gyro to make it more complex.

If you have built an Ultra Flash, it's not much different for space. Sometimes dual layers of layout are required.

I really should have waited for the 1:6.75 F-16. LOL!
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Old 03-24-2020, 08:32 PM   #13
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Nice install Brent! Trying to keep things tidy in a tight area is challenging for sure. I laid everything out on the trays as neatly as I could today. I'll start bolting things down tomorrow.

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WOOOOW!!! Nice job Colin.
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Nice install Brent! Trying to keep things tidy in a tight area is challenging for sure. I laid everything out on the trays as neatly as I could today. I'll start bolting things down tomorrow.

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Thanks!!

Looks like you have your hands full with UP valves!! I have 3 of them in a Rafale that I still have to finish up as well. It looks like a bowl of spaghetti with the air lines!! Below is a pic of that setup. The issue with the Rafale is 7 gear doors!!!

For my little F-16, there is one UP valve for the gear/doors, but an electronic valve for brakes. I prefer the electronic valves actually as they are much smaller and no servo linkage hassles. It is hard to deny the simplicity and reliability of the UP valves though.

It looks like you have things well organized for the build. Have you used the Smooth Flite before? I was reading up on them, and they do seem impressive.
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Old 03-25-2020, 05:16 PM   #16
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Re: Skymaster/Xtreme F16

The kit-included valves went in a bin for a rainy day. It only came with two, so I needed an additional anyway. I've used the UP stuff before with good results so figured I'd go down that path again.

This is my first time using the Smooth Flite system. Setup is intuitive, and I like having the gear door sequencer built in. Easier than fumbling through the TX with mixes and delays. The big thing for me was having the ability to assign gyro compensation to any channel. A friend of mine just finished a SM 1/8 F-18 using the PowerBox system. It'll be interesting to see how they compare for flight characteristics. My only flight control experience has been with flybarless controllers, and you can make almost any helicopter fly exactly the same (with the exception of weight/loading). I'm excited to see how the jet stuff compares.

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Old 03-26-2020, 03:04 PM   #17
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Yep, the options on the Smooth Flite are pretty impressive. It seems very similar to the Powerbox Mercury in features. That is the only thing I have that would compare.

Since you fly a lot of helicopters, you may find the gyro for jets rather mundane in comparison. A flybarless gyro is doing a lot of work all the time. 3D planes are benefiting from a gyro quite a bit as well. Not so much in a jet.

A few of my sport jets do not have a gyro because they really don't need it!! I have been putting gyros in some of my other jets mostly just for a slightly smoother flight on windy days, but the rates are reduced drastically. They are very beneficial if you hook up a GPS for rate adjustment or thrust vectoring. Some jets need a gyro, but they are not the norm. Most of my Powerbox gyros are set somewhere around 18% rate value for normal flight. IF they are higher, I experience oscillations at higher speeds. The best setting is when you can't tell that the gyro is turned on...........other than the fact that you will experience a bit softer feel to the plane around neutral. It is similar to adding more expo.

My thought is that it is better to have a gyro and not need it. LOL!!

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I'm interested in the gyro for similar reasons. I don't want it to do the flying for me, but it would be nice to dampen the quick, jerky, non-scale like movements a windy day throws at it. By the sounds of it, a modest gain setting should make it a bit smoother to fly and more enjoyable to the eye.

I started my spaghetti monster today. I got the valves, servos, and the Smooth Flite box mounted. I decided on brackets for the ECU and fuel pump in the empty pockets just ahead of the saddle tanks. I couldn't stand to not make use of the space lol. The tray just ahead of the turbine will be used for all of the servicing ports. That way only one hatch will have to come on/off during the day.

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I've got the equipment trays done and laid in place. Now onto the re-fuel/air tray in the back.
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