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Old 06-10-2021, 08:49 AM   #11
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue


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Thanks all for your inputs. There is some really detailed useful information here.

I updated all 4 of my 4651Ts yesterday to version 2.43.2. I saw 'Thanks to TheSteve' in the release notes. Great work Steve!. A couple of the receivers were 2.37 and a couple were 2.40. The update process was pretty painless after I fabricated a cable for it.

Yesterday I took out my Goblin 380s and flew them about 6 times each. I was paying particular attention to the frames lost per receiver. Most flights they come back either single digits or low double digits. On one flight I saw 105 frames lost. It seems to be somewhat random. Don mentioned he saw 1000s of frames lost, so I am guessing I am OK as far as receiver placement.

I did order a couple more standard receivers. I am on the fence about adding them to my 580 and 700. It sounds like the issues are resolved. I don't want to lose the telemetry so I might move forward with just the update and pay attention to the frames lost.

Thanks again for the inputs!
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Old 06-10-2021, 10:14 AM   #12
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

I just connected the Ikon/Brain and there is a new software release for that too. It has a few SRXL2 and SPMA465* changes. It might be a good update to install.

Software 3.4.000, Firmware 3.4.000 (48) 09 June 2021

• Introduced in the Telemetry section a control (optional) that signals by swashplate movement of the elevator if at power on the battery is low (instructions in the related balloon)
• Added F.Port2 uninverted (selecting multiprotocol icon) and inverted decoding (selecting the new icon). Tested with Archer SR8 PRO receiver and with the R-XSR (FW: “RXSR_ACCESS_2.1.7”). No special cable required
• Added F.Port inverted decoding (selecting the new icon). No special cable required
• Now with FrSky / OpenTX, the telemetry transmission of “Global Vibrations” value works even with Combustion models that use “Basic Telemetry” or “Also Temperature Sensor”
• Now if an Avian or Firma ESC with new 2021 firmware are used, the Brain2/iKon2 Integration is disabled to avoid conflict with ESC integration and let running at least the ESC integration that cannot disabled or firmware downgraded (for now)
• Now also some models of FlyFun ESC (Hobbywing) that sometime at “power on” enter in “PROGRAM CARD” communication mode, are now working regularly
• Modified the Twin Rotors management so that it can also work on models other than Vario models
• Improved telemetric S.Bus2 operations with Futaba T-FHSS receivers (EG: R31001SB/R008SB)
• Revised integration management on Graupner (Hott / SUMD) radio systems to improve speed
• Introduced a workaround for a problem with new firmware subsequent the version 2.1.2 released for ARCHER RS receivers when the Fail Safe is set to “No pulses”
• Improved the Bind procedure by software with SPM4650
• Raised the required value required from B-Aux1 radio channel for Auto Level / Rescue activation for user that set the range for this channel from 0% to 100% instead of -100% +100%
• Added the new panel for “Support Request” that finally send automatically to our technical support together the request also the Configuration file, the Events file and a Flight Log file. It is accessible from the Help menu or from the DIAGNOSTIC section
• After having given the command “Reset to Factory Default” from the File menu and closed the software, if you try to reopen the software without having cycled the power supply of the flight control unit as explained in the instructions, the software does not start, and a message appears indicating the user’s error
• If you try to load a configuration file that is wrong or that has been saved immediately after the “Reset to Factory Default” command from the File menu, the file is not loaded, and a message appears
• If a Configuration file (MTR) is loaded in Demo Mode, panel 5 of Wizard displays the Transmitter values saved at the time the configuration file was saved
• Added in the message box that appear after a Firmware update, the phrase: ‘After updates that introduce changes to the Flight Logs, it may be necessary to reinitialize the Flight Log memory by re-formatting it with the “Erase Logs memory” command.’
• To select the flight control unit kind you want use in Demo Mode now just double click on it (no more select it, then move to “OK” button and push)
• Wizard panel 2 enhanced final paragraph for internal combustion engines
When Spektrum SRXL2 or SRXL rx is selected, in the message box that appear when “Spektrum bind” checkbox is selected added the phrase: “Re-power the unit not from USB but from the servo connectors to power also the receiver connected to the CH3 connector”
Wizard panel 3 “Receiver Selection”, when old Brain or Micro Brain are connected (or emulated in Demo mode), in the multiprotocol icon, the SRXL2 and F.Port protocol not working with these units are forbidden for more clarity
• Added instructions for B-Aux3 in panel 5 of Wizard
• Added in “Servo chart Cyclic” old Futaba S3050 servo
• Now in the panel 8 of the Wizard the eventual writing “Swashplate not selected” is all in capital and in red color
• In ADVANCED, Common tab, Receiver, when the check box “Is set in software” is selected for the tail gain, the radio channel that was previously set for the same function, even if it is still displayed but “whitened”, can be freely assigned to other functions
• In ADVANCED, Common tab, Governor: the MAX value for “Bailout Ramp” reduced from 70 to 40, to avoid tail lost caused by excessive main rotor acceleration speed
• In ADVANCED, Setup tab, INPUT: the label “Pitch Exponential:” changed to “Pitch Exponential (Antigravity):”
• Added for diagnostic purpose to the loggable parameters “Gyro sensor Temperature C”.
• Changed in DIAGNOSTIC => “Recorded Logs the name of button “Erase all Logs” (black) to “Erase Logs mem.” (red). In Italian: from “Cancella i Logs” to “Cancella Memoria”
• In DIAGNOSTIC, unit of measurement of “Power Out” changed from % to PWM
• Now in DIAGNOSTIC, Vibrations tab, any harmful low-frequency vibrations/oscillations remain outside the gray area of acceptability
• DIAGNOSTIC, Events tab, for some types of Events, reduced the possibility of them repeating more than twice every second, saturating completely the event list
• Now in DIAGNOSTIC, Events tab, the “Power On” row is highlighted in yellow to clearly show where a session ends and a new one begins
• Now in DIAGNOSTIC, Events tab, changed color of the event n102 “Power Voltage below 16,6% than startup” from yellow to orange
• Now in DIAGNOSTIC, Events tab, pressing “Refresh Events” or (in Demo Mode) “Load from File”, the normal sort sequence is restored
Added Events “Receiver connected”, “Satellite1 connected”, “Satellite2 connected”, recorded at power on
• New downloadable version of the Brain2FrSky.zip pack (X7Q updated to the new OTX 2.3.11 work again)
• Updated version of Brain.bin file inside the new downloadable “Brain2Jeti.zip” file for Jeti Integration
• New version of “README_for_OpenTX_integration_for_BRAIN.pdf”
• New version of “README_for_ESC_datas_log_and_telemetry.pdf”
• Added Portuguese language
• Revised French instructions
• Many little revision of names, titles, labels, units, instructions (English and Italian)
• Improvements/optimization/compression/size reduction/speed up of the code
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Old 06-10-2021, 10:42 AM   #13
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

Hi,

When you plug the 4651T back in, check which number it becomes. It may push the two standard remotes back in the line to B and L. In the FC6250HX gyro, the SRXL2 remote becomes A even though it is plugged into RX2 in the system. The standard remote that is plugged into RX1 becomes B. Hope this helps.

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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

The fix is specifically for the SPM4650(which nobody should be using in a large helicopter). At power on the receiver and FBL would not communicate at all. I reported the bug to MSH about 6 months ago as my three smallest heli's didn't work with the updated firmware, everything else did. The SPM4651 never had any issues communicating with the FBL's so it is non-issue for most people.
MSH is very good about fixing bugs, but when you report something they will never acknowledge if they found it or not which is a little odd.
I've updated my FBL's in my micro helicopters, will let others test it a few weeks before updating my larger machines.
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:08 AM   #15
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Hi,
When you plug the 4651T back in, check which number it becomes. It may push the two standard remotes back in the line to B and L.
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Thanks Don. I only see A and B. I never paid much attention to what letter was assigned to what receiver.
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Old 06-10-2021, 11:10 AM   #16
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I've updated my FBL's in my micro helicopters, will let others test it a few weeks before updating my larger machines.
I updated my 580 to the latest Ikon firmware. Should I be worried now? I was planning on a couple test flights tonight. Maybe I should revert to an older version?
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I updated my 580 to the latest Ikon firmware. Should I be worried now? I was planning on a couple test flights tonight. Maybe I should revert to an older version?
I doubt there is anything to worry about - I used it in my micro heli's last night for many flights with no issues. I figure it can't hurt to wait a week or two on my larger stuff though as there are no needed bug fixes for them.
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

Spektrum has a new firmware for the 4651t v2.43.2 to fix this as well as MSH for the Brain2/Ikon2 now v3.40

Version 2.43.2 (May 12, 2021)
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- Fix momentary use of Preset failsafe values in SRXL channel data during initial RF connect and on reconnect from Hold (thanks TheSteve)
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

It flies! I flew the repaired Kraken 580 with all of the updates a few times tonight and all seems fine. Fingers crossed the next time it hits the ground it is the pilot's fault I really appreciate all of the support!
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Re: Kraken 580 - Flight 105 - 4651T issue

Yesterday, I took a couple of my helis out to fly and this is the result. The 4651T equipped heli had a maximum of 2 fades on the standard remote and no fades on the 4651T. On the other, which runs an iKON2 and a 4649T, the maximum fades were about 30 on the first standard remote, 100 or so one time on the second remote, and less than 50 on the 4649T. Both of those are very acceptable and all were 8 minute flights at the minimum. I have not updated the iKON2 as of yet and it may be a while as there is no need to do any service on that helicopter and it lives in the trunk. Take care.

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