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Old 04-26-2021, 12:10 PM   #1
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Hi all, has or is anyone on this forum built or building an Se5a? I am looking for as much information as I can get on this aircraft, I rather like the bluenose colours of Billy Bishiops aircraft when he was assigned to 60 squadron in 1917 he later was assigned to 85 squadron in the spring of 1918, I have not been able to discern if the first aircraft was an Se5 or Se5a and which engine actually powered either aircraft..

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Old 05-09-2021, 11:17 AM   #2
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Hi all, has or is anyone on this forum built or building an Se5a? I am looking for as much information as I can get on this aircraft, I rather like the bluenose colours of Billy Bishiops aircraft when he was assigned to 60 squadron in 1917 he later was assigned to 85 squadron in the spring of 1918, I have not been able to discern if the first aircraft was an Se5 or Se5a and which engine actually powered either aircraft..

Thoughts anyone.

Thanks Tony..
Results from plugging "SE5A" into the forum's search field:

https://www.rccanada.ca/rccforum/sea...rchid=10267855

RCScalebuilder and the "3 views" subcategory in general aviation in rcgroups.com are other resources, as well as google.
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Old 05-09-2021, 12:33 PM   #3
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Re: Se5a

This turned up in my Google search:
http://www.aviation-history.com/raf/se5a.htm
They're showing that the Se5a came after the original Se5 with some structural changes.
You can read up on the various engines that were fitted.
Also see,
http://www.historynet.com/william-bi...hter-pilot.htm
The Se5a was flown by Bishop in 1918.
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Old 05-11-2021, 02:58 PM   #4
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I did one a few years back.....

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Old 05-16-2021, 03:17 PM   #5
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Thank you Scott some good info in the supplied link, it seems difficult to track down definite info on ww1 airplanes and pilots, I was in the UK 3 years ago and discovered that a ww1 airfield had been uncovered and was in the process of restoration, - the buildings had been used by the farmer for storage, the most amazing part was that it was just a few miles from the village I was born and raised in..
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Old 05-18-2021, 04:48 AM   #6
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Hi Scott, as you have built an Se5a a few years back can I ask what colour you finished it in? I would like to see mine finished in the blue nose colours of the Canadian pilot "Billy" Bishop, the problem is the guy who is finishing this for me has a question about the base colour, in some pictures it shows as a Green the standard colour of the period I believe but in others it appears as a Brown, do you know if this is just an anomaly of lighting or artist interppretaion or were there in fact aircraft painted in both colours at various times through ww1?
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My thread showed that I tried to replicated William Avery Bishops A'8936 Se5. I used Humbrol #109 WW1 blue and Humbrol #34 white. The top of the model was covered in olive drab Solartex and then streaked with colour matched Behr Ultra Premium Latex. This has been slightly darkened down by the satin clear coat I used, Minwax Polycrylic. The underside is linen coloured Solartex streaked with colour matched latex paint. I use a 3" brush with several bristles missing to give the streaky effect.
Documenting colour on a WW1 model is difficult as there are no colour photos of when they were in service. There are a few "original" examples but you will find that even these have been restored changing the original colours. The blue nose.. red nose squadron colours only lasted a few months as they were disallowed by RAF/RFC. My suggestion is find some pics/artist renditions and supporting documentation and go from there.

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Old 05-19-2021, 05:13 PM   #9
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Re: Se5a

Thank you both for the info. Scott after a lot of research it would seem that the original colour appeared greenish due to the dope the colours were mixed in, however as the aircraft aged/weathered and prolonged exposure to the elements the colour changed a little due to the "gloss" effect becoming dull and actually became a shade or appeared to become a shade of brown ??

Yes we Brits can be bull headed about some things apparently custom colours on ww1 aircraft being something that those in command frowned on, yet the German air force seemed to have no issue with it at all???

Your comment about no actual colour pictures/photos is duly noted Scott, we are relying on documentation as asking a pilot or member of the forces of that period is not possible now.

Again thank you for the info..

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Re: Se5a

https://youtu.be/BaHaQ4bPHH0

We built two 1/3 scale, this one in the video has Cpt. Billy. Bishops markings and the other has Cpt Fred McCall’s markings
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